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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2024, 09:42:45 pm »
Quote from: roythebus on October 27, 2024, 09:33:47 pm
All you need to do is read through some of the postings in the council tickets forum; if you want to challenge private tickets, read through the private tickets section. there's a lot to. tak in. Don't be afraid to post on here
That last bit especially. Reading as much as you can is a very good idea (especially the 'Read This First' posts...), as that ideally means you have at least a rudimentary idea of some of the concepts involved before posting, which will make your post more informative, and as such elicit better advice in response.

But, don't be afraid to post for advice before taking action. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing... I've seen a good few cases where people have fired off an appeal having read a bunch of what they thought were similar cases, without posting here, then by the time they do post here it turns out they have inadvertently harmed their own case.
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2024, 10:38:54 pm »
Quote from: DWMB2 on October 27, 2024, 09:42:45 pm
But, don't be afraid to post for advice before taking action. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing... I've seen a good few cases where people have fired off an appeal having read a bunch of what they thought were similar cases, without posting here, then by the time they do post here it turns out they have inadvertently harmed their own case.
We've seen that a lot in the council forum too.
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
« Reply #47 on: October 28, 2024, 09:18:39 pm »
The problem is that the general person in the street (yes, pun intended) believes that a case won at the Tribunal is case law. I have had very detailed discussions with such (a friend) last week.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2024, 08:44:33 pm »
I surmise that my first outing with the shirt may have played a part in one of these decisions:

2240406384  :o (Not even allowed to sit at the bench)

2240418124 not even mentioned.  :'(

2240417904 these were completely re-arranged and were supposed to be consolidated for a hearing in November.  :o

Never a dull moment in this game. :)
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
« Reply #49 on: November 12, 2024, 08:37:33 am »
I heard with great sadness yesterday that someone has just paid his PCN for the infamous bus lane at Eden Street Kingston.

https://youtu.be/dmo43oExMxs

Sadly, The Mugged Club has another member.  :(



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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2024, 11:17:39 am »
Leahurst Road, Lewisham. Yesterday, I managed to save one guy £130 by stopping him.

https://youtu.be/jyCB3hctV5c

They have added new signs; but, the warning signs are still rather small. So, this is still worth a fight.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2024, 01:30:50 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on November 12, 2024, 08:37:33 am
I heard with great sadness yesterday that someone has just paid his PCN for the infamous bus lane at Eden Street Kingston.

https://youtu.be/dmo43oExMxs

Sadly, The Mugged Club has another member.  :(

Dear Mr Kirsch

I attach several videos which were taken yesterday afternoon in the space of 20 minutes.

I kook forward to your response as to what you are going to do about this unfair discrimination.

I also witnessed a car cutting up a cyclist by performing an illegal left turn from Eden Street into Union Street and I believe you do not enforce this by camera. Not only was this illegal but also the car reversed into the main road (Eden Street) in order to complete the move.

Yours sincerely

James Bond

Videos:

https://youtu.be/WUMGYkfzdj0

https://youtu.be/ndAdK60EaNo

https://youtu.be/wd8-slu5dk4


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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
"Hippocrates"

ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι ε
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