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I've had a look online and it doesnt look like you've paid the PCN. Just confirm that's still the case.

Going by the date on the letter means service is assumed as 22nd August. This means the discount runs out tommorow (5th September)

It could be taken to tribunal and it's not a slam dunk. It really depends on what the traffic management order says. That being said, taking it to tribunal means risking the full amount of £180

I'm by no means an expert but I can see a few potential angles for tribunal.
- this particular school is an independent rather than council run school, therefore it is even harder for a motorist to know term times.
- The scheme is aimed at improving air qualify and safety of children - how is a blanket ban aiding this?
- De minimus on the basis you made a geniune mistake and rectified it as soon as you realised.
- Depending on what the traffic management order says - I have made an FOI for all school streets TMO's in the borough - the signage does not display the fact the restriction only applies during term time. 2230471029 Kunter v Camden

Let us know if you're willing to risk the higher rate and hopefully someone more well versed can assist
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They only printed the one copy, I just realised after posting that the original picture I took wasn't very clear so added some more at a closer angle.
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Thanks for your replies and suggestions:

Also, can you attach all sides of the PCN as well?




As far as I understand the next step would be take some recent photos of the area to check if signs has adequate placing?
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@Fightback

As others have explained, forum rule is one case, one thread. It sounds as if your brother may have a good case, so please start (or let him start) a new thread for his PCN with the usual info - both sides unredacted PCN, copy of his challenge, copy of rejection, any other paperwork, council images and GSV link. By all means include a link to this thread.

I can then tidy up this thread by removing redundant posts.

Turning to your own PCN (the subject of this thread). Did you post yr challenge as per your post #14 above? Have you received a reply?

Apologies - I have started a new thread and just about to submit my appeal!
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Brother has received a rejection in relation to a PCN appeal for parking on a driveway in which he had permission to do so. Don’t have a picture of original PCN but was the yellow ticket on the car. I assume would be same format as PCN I had received (please see link to thread: https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/code-27-pcn-redbridge-driveway/ )

Rejection letter
https://postimg.cc/gallery/B478d4W

I don’t have wording for original appeal but the main point was that he had permission to park there.

Background - We have permission from our neighbour to park here and I have now got a signed letter from him confirming this which I will include in appeal to ETA. Someone has obviously complained but it is not their driveway so they have no right.
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If you submit your representations within the discount period, Harrow normally re-offer the discount.

You do have a case of inadequate signage, so I suggest you emphasise that the restriction came as a complete surprise as you turned left giving you no distance to alter course to the correct lane. Councils have a duty under Regulation 18 (1)(a) of The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996 to erect signage that adequately conveys the restriction to motorists.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18
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Council: London Borough of Harrow
Contravention: 33E – using a route restricted to certain vehicles (buses, cycles and taxis only)
Location: Camrose Avenue, Edgware – eastbound bus gate just west of Dale Avenue
Date/time: 23/08/2026 at 21:25 (dark)
Date of notice: 28/08/2026. Discount deadline 10/09/2026.

What happened
I was driving east along the residential service road that runs parallel to Camrose Avenue on its north side, behind the grass verge opposite Shaldon Road and Dale Avenue (the service road is also named Camrose Avenue). At the eastern end of the service road I stopped at the give-way line and turned left onto the main carriageway to head east. The nearside lane I turned into is the eastbound bus gate.

From the give-way line to the blue roundel signs at the gate is about five car lengths – roughly 20–25 metres. There is no sign at, facing, or visible from the service road exit saying there is a bus gate ahead or that traffic joining must move to the offside lane. The first time you can see the signs is once you're already on the main road completing the turn. All of Harrow's advance signage and the curved arrows are on the main carriageway before the service road exit, so I never passed any of them.

No car or bus ahead of me, road dry, after dark. I'm not local and hadn't driven this road before.

Evidence so far
Harrow's CCTV video (viewed on their website, screen-recorded) shows my car coming out of the service road and continuing through the gate. I'll upload it. I've emailed Harrow for the disc copy and asked in writing whether the £80 is re-offered if representations are rejected – no reply yet. I've read the busgates.uk pages on this location (eastbound approach and traffic orders).

Photos of the PCN, front and back, below. Street View of the service road exit and the gate: https://maps.app.goo.gl/xqkToHwJu5quQZdLA is the street view of the exit I was taking a left onto the main road.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Ai2YACg3K3XByg7W7 is the street view of the gate I entered after I turned left.


https://imgpile.com/m/dCsjL9Y

Questions...

Is "inadequate signage for traffic joining from the service road" a case worth fighting, or should I take the £80?

Does Harrow re-offer the discount after a rejection at this location? ( the reason why I’m asking is because on their website it says the following. “ If we reject your challenge, you must pay the full fee” so I’m not sure if that means I will get the 50% discount)

[Nothing sent to Harrow yet.]
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A double yellow has no meaning in an off-street car park and certainly not a 'restricted area'.

The terms board says vehicles must be wholly parked within a relevant bay so the correct contravention is 'not parked correctly within the markings of a bay or space'.

Their rejection very helpfully confirms this!

Yellow lines are misleading in off-street car parks. But some adjudicators think they do convey a restricted area. 

The PCN looks a mess in part - did they print two copies?






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Have you raised this with your insurer, of LP?
Did your insurance include legal cover?

IMO, your best recourse is to enlist the help of your insurer at the time because it's their risk surely i.e. they reimburse you for the theft of your vehicle or pursue recovery using their legal muscle.

Why go it alone?
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Parked on a side road with yellow lines but no visible restrictions for loading to carry a paddleboard to the nearby beach.

Appealed to say no observation time and provided photos of the paddleboard to show it was a large object. Council rejected which is also in the photos.

Worth taking my appeal further? Its still within discount period and only £35 which actually sems reasonable compared to London.

https://imgpile.com/p/P7scr5L
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