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Hi all, first time posting here. I originally posted about this on Reddit and a few people advised me to come here for more specialist advice, so hopefully someone can help me understand this a bit better.


I rented a car from SIXT and received a UKCPS private parking charge at Abbey Wood Shopping Park for overstaying the 4-hour limit by 43 minutes.

I accept that I overstayed. I’m from Singapore and I’m also used to driving in Malaysia, where from my experience I wouldn’t normally expect an open car park with no barriers to be monitored in this way. So I genuinely didn’t realise how these free private car parks work in the UK. Lesson learnt!

I was at one of the businesses there the whole time and was planning to appeal, but before I had the chance, SIXT had already paid the £60 charge and then charged my UK debit card £100 (£60 + £40 admin fee).

What I’m trying to understand is why SIXT paid it rather than passing my details to UKCPS as the hirer and allowing me to deal with it myself.

SIXT’s terms say they can recover “the fine or charge itself (if we have to pay it)”, while my rental agreement specifically mentions parking charge notices and the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

So did SIXT actually have to pay this private parking charge, or could they have transferred liability to me and allowed UKCPS to pursue me directly? And now that they’ve paid it, is there anything I can realistically do about the £60 and/or £40 admin fee?

I’ve attached redacted copies of the original UKCPS notice sent to SIXT, the SIXT invoice and the relevant part of my rental agreement.

Any advice would be really appreciated.







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I actually parked up there around 2.55pm. My presentation ran slightly over so I ended up coming down at 4.16!

So this one isn’t worth fighting?
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Thank you for your replies.
The photos I have provided are not from the day the contravention occurred, but I parked my car here again to show you how and where I was parked (I saw the PCN at night when I was leaving so it was too dark to take photos).

Here is the unredacted PCN:
https://ibb.co/XkpmKRhz
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Yes, that is the sum total of the signage - 2 No Right Turn signs on the right hand side of the road from my pov. - 1 each below a double set of traffic lights, and nothing at all on the left side of the road.

The traffic lights on the left as you approach the junction (after the signage that shows no right turn) have a No Right Turn disc in them too. So there are 4 signs.
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Does there appear to be anything wrong with the PCN letter I’ve attached? Otherwise I will just pay it off

1. If you do nothing: statement after that.

2. Website: no grounds.

Back later with cases in support.

http://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/(pcn)-nj41731881-london-borough-of-hounslow-code-31j-entering-and-stopping-in-a-/msg82225/#msg82225

I was the representative. You also need to screenshot the grounds page on the website. Please see READ THIS FIRST and scroll down spreadsheet and then to adjudication key cases and decisions re no grounds on website.

http://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/





I think the no grounds point would be invalid as grounds for appeal are listed. Heres a screenshot of the website:



Link to website:https://www.hounslow.gov.uk/penalty-charge-notices/appeal-pcn

For the 'if you do nothing' statement. Do you think it's strong enough to appeal?
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I don't think a letter was lost because Lambeth refer to my letter dated 11th September which was my last correspondence to them. It seems they weren't happy with the way the registered owner worded the appeal maybe?

This is the letter I received from Lambeth after I (the driver, not the owner) appealed the NtO:
https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/V8KTLOH_xl.jpg

I then asked the registered owner to appeal for me and he wrote as follows:
I am challenging this PCN on behalf of the driver at the time - xxxxxxxxx  I have attached his representation below:
Dear Sir/Madam,
Re: Appeal against PCNs LJ40036724 and LJ40036837
I am writing to appeal both of the above Penalty Charge Notices, which relate to the same incident and the same vehicle. My vehicle suffered an unexpected mechanical breakdown on 27 May 2026. The vehicle stopped in the middle of the road and became completely incapable of being driven any further. I therefore had no option but to move the vehicle as far to the side of the road as possible and leave it there. I immediately contacted the AA for assistance. An AA patrol attended on 27 May 2026 and attempted to repair the vehicle. Unfortunately, the patrol was unable to repair the vehicle and advised me that it would need to be towed away. I immediately arranged for the vehicle to be recovered. However, there were no AA recovery patrols available on 27 May, and the first available recovery was the following day, 28 May.
On 28 May 2026, an AA recovery patrol attended and towed my vehicle away at approximately 11:13am. The reason the vehicle remained at the location for the two days was therefore entirely beyond my control. The vehicle was not deliberately parked there, nor did I leave it there for convenience. It had broken down and was physically incapable of being driven. I contacted the AA immediately, had a patrol attend, attempted to have the vehicle repaired, and then arranged for it to be recovered as soon as an AA recovery vehicle became available.
I have attached a letter from the AA confirming the relevant call-out details, including the attendance on 27 May, the fact that the vehicle could not be repaired and required recovery,
and the subsequent attendance and towing of the vehicle on 28 May at 11:13am.
Timeline:
27 May 2026: Vehicle broke down and became immobile.
27 May 2026: AA patrol attended and attempted to repair the vehicle but was unable to do so. I was advised that the vehicle needed to be towed away.
27 May 2026: I arranged recovery with the AA, but there were no recovery patrols available that day.
28 May 2026: The first available AA recovery patrol attended and towed the vehicle away at 11:13am
I respectfully ask that you take these circumstances and the attached AA evidence into consideration. I acted promptly and responsibly throughout and did everything reasonably possible to have the vehicle removed at the earliest opportunity.
I therefore respectfully request that both PCNs, LJ40036724 and LJ40036837, are cancelled in full as the vehicle was present at the location solely because of an unforeseen breakdown and while I was actively arranging its recovery.
Thank you for your consideration. I look forward to receiving confirmation that both PCNs have been cancelled."

I then received this response from Lambeth which I do not understand at all what they are trying to say!
https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/d7dJv71_xl.jpg

What should my next step be?
Please let me know what else I should upload....
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What happened in the end? I received the same ticket in Ilford.
Sorry, it's too long ago so please start your own thread. Read this so you know what to post-up to support your narrative: -
http://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

The contravention only occurs if the vehicle intrudes into the dropped section; the sloping section doesn't count. Councils will deny this but they are wrong, but continue to serve false PCNs knowing most people, (like >95%) just cough-up.
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Something has gone wrong because with each PCN now at £240, this tells us that your representations against the NtO were either late or they have responded but the letter is lost. Advice is not to pay the Charge Certificate yet, as there is a stage beyond that when you can get the process reverted to the NtO stage.

Anyway, please read this and update your thread accordingly: -
http://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
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What happened in the end? I received the same ticket in Ilford.
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