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This is the signage leading up to that bus stop. No 959B signs. Does this help my case?

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I will dig out my previous drafts re another member's case.

Thanks, I did manage to find this appeal below. Tweaked it abit and added point number 5. Is this valid?


Dear TFL

Ref:  PCN
      VRM

I make this initial challenge as follows:

The PCN is unenforceable because:

1. The reference to The Interpretation Act is both irrelevant and confusing as the legislation pertaining to Bus Lane enforcement refers to actions which may be taken by the authority and/or appellant from the date of the notice.

2. The statement: "Any written correspondence before the issue of the Enforcement Notice will not be treated as a formal representation." fetters discretion and is contrary to the legislation in that it clearly implies that you will send an Enforcement Notice when the legislation states "may" at 4(3)(e)

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1996/9/section/4/enacted

3. The statement: "It will not entitle you to the right of appeal." is both absurd and flies in the face of the law and natural justice. Further, the next statement about consideration seems to contradict what has been previously stated.

4. The statement: "Failure to respond or contact us within 28 days of the service date of this notice will result in the Enforcement Notice automatically being sent to you after this period." similarly fetters discretion and also misstates the time period.

5. Incorrect Location on the PCN: The location specified on the PCN is incorrect and misleading. The alleged contravention is stated to have occurred approximately 268 meters away from the actual location where the vehicle was recorded. This discrepancy in location renders the PCN defective, as it fails to provide the driver with precise information about where the alleged offence took place.

Under Regulation 8(5) of the London Local Authorities Act 1996, a PCN must state “the grounds on which the council or, as the case may be, Transport for London believe that a penalty charge is payable with respect to the vehicle.” Providing an inaccurate location does not meet this requirement, as it prevents the recipient from properly assessing the alleged contravention and preparing a fair defense.

Furthermore, the adjudicator in James Harris v Haringey (case reference 2190464396, London Tribunals) ruled that a PCN must contain a clear and correct location, as an inaccurate location could lead to unfairness and procedural impropriety. Given this, the PCN issued in this case is flawed and should be cancelled.


The alleged contravention did not occur

The embedded photograph and video evidence provided for the PCN lacks any proof of relevant signage either passed or in situ including any relevant road markers proving that this occurred on a bus lane.

Camera authorisation

I put you to strict proof that the camera used to capture the alleged contravention has the correct certification. If this is not forthcoming, this will be another ground of appeal.

In light of the above, please cancel the PCN,

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Private parking tickets / Re: Minster Baywatch/Gladstones
« Last post by OwlBee55 on Today at 10:43:00 pm »
Thank you for your reply.
I think I received one of the letters. Yes I am the registered keeper. I haven’t identified the driver at all to Gladstones.
I haven’t found the letter from Gladstones but it is a letter before claim.
I would prefer to defend this but am not very knowledgeable on the subject.
The photos they have used are not time/date stamped and could be anywhere- can they really use these as evidence?
Are they even able to make a claim against me when there was never any money owed (no need to purchase a ticket) and they have no losses as a result of this?
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Hi
Received a PCN for parking in a bay that I thought was unrestricted outside of permit hours. Did not realise that the bay is actually reserved for motorbikes at all times. Thought after 12 it was all good to park there due to the signage.

Is there any basis to challenge the PCN?

https://imgur.com/a/mUlrjNx

Location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/seGjunBskzSM6V4T9

Thanks!

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I appreciate all the advice.

Could such an argument be used as mitigation while pleading guilty rather as an outright defence? What would be the penalty if I lost in either situation?

Problem is even if I were not given a ban I'm not sure I'd be able to keep my car with 12 points.
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I would say the speed was being enforced by the camera before adequate guidance had been given on the speed limit.

And I would say the "guidance" (or I'd prefer to say, the instruction) was given by the terminal signs which you missed. The limit has to be adequately conveyed. The terminal signs tell you where it begins; the reminders are there to remind you it is still extant. They are not provided as back-ups to the terminal signs for those drivers who miss them. My view is that you'd struggle to convince a court that the beginning of the limit was not adequately conveyed when, on your own admission, you missed the compliant terminal signs.

But it doesn't matter what I think. If you think you'll succeed, give it a run. But I would have an EH argument in my pocket along with a cheque book if I were you.
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Driver parked outside the gates area for a few minutes to go to the pharmacy. Was issued a fine. Fine wasn't paid and has now received letter from solicitors and fine has increased.
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Hi,

Im looking for some guidance on a received 52M. First, I have never been aware of such penalties until now. A few details below:


I was travelling through Fulham unaware of this 52M prohibition; I had just been passing through and had never been to this part of the Fulham previously. first timer.

A couple of days ago, I received this in the mail. After some investigation on firstly what this was and some background on it, it appears it is part of some clean air scheme, (which I'm all for). This scheme, i believe, was introduced as a trial with a camera, which ceased as a trial and became permanent on 31 January 2025.
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This information can be found here:  https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/news/2023/02/warning-period-non-hf-drivers-ends-clean-air-neighbourhood-trial
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My first concern is that the signs are just not clear enough, even at 20 mph, to be able to take necessary action to avoid the area, (especially if you are not local) and the scheme is NEW and the road markings that are on the road, barely take priority when driving safely, to be honest.


Second, there is a junction right next to the signs to the right. In the video, there is a second large vehicle, which I would have been aware of while driving, which clearly is pulling out. This vehicle will have also been obstructing my view of the sign on the right side of the road, right up until I pass the sign, which can be barely seen if you look close enough on photo 2, behind the sizeable tree.


I was completely unaware of this and didn't, in all honesty, see the signage nor feel there was any prohibition; it's not clear, plus the islands make this part of the road look like a crossing; it's confusing. Even in the photo, which is of a fairly acceptable resolution, it is difficult to make out. Add a speed of 20 mph to the equation, and it's even less convincing.

Im not sure how to respond, but this is out of order. Any advice is welcome. I'm stumped, but I don't feel this is a penalty I should pay for ignorance.

Thank you

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I would say the speed was being enforced by the camera before adequate guidance had been given on the speed limit. In terms of what adequate would look like I would refer to the 350m recommended of repeater after a terminal sign in the TSM.

Well, that’s the argument you need to decide whether to run or not. I don’t rate your chances but it’s not hopeless and it’s your choice.
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