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Thanks for the reply, that is cheeky of them. I'll tell him to ignore it.

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+1 from me.

OP, the enforcement agent wrote to you at your MIL's address because their other methods of tracing showed that you could be there. Nothing to do with V5C 'all over the place' addresses.
What address is on the warrant, who knows, probably the one before the one before your last accurate address.

People move, their circumstances change etc. etc. But it remains your duty to maintain an address with DVLA where you can be contacted. In this instance your MIL's address would have worked. It's not where you are, it's where you can be contacted, even through a third party.
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I am at a loss of what options I have.

Procedurally not many.

To date:
Avis received a PCN issued on 31 May which they paid.
Subsequently, Avis wrote to TfL by letter* dated 16 July to authorise you to make representations.
You submitted representations.
TfL responded by letter** dated  27 Aug. that you were not the addressee on the PCN and that they had written to the addressee giving them 14 days to confirm that they had given permission for you to act on their behalf.


Clearly a c**k-up on TfL's part.

*- address used by Avis: Travel for London(??), Red Routes, PO Box 335, Darlington, DL1 9PU

**- address on TfL's letter: Transport for London, Red Routes, PO Box 335, Darlington, DL1 9PU.

When you get back to TfL stress that Avis had already written to them a month before they replied to you saying effectively that they hadn't..and here's a copy of Avis's letter to TfL. NB. Avis didn't write to you, they wrote to TfL and merely copied this to you.
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Wait for others to comment but the usual advice is to pay the bailiffs to prevent their fees rocketing and then concentrate on exploring whether or not there are avenues for cancellation,
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Also, just as an FYI here is the letter I received. I blacked out my personal details for obvious reasons.

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Hi @cp8759, can you advise me on what to do next?

Looking for emails to try, a few weeks ago I emailed RedRoutes@tflenforcement.com and CCCorrespondence@Tfl.gov.uk, but have received no response. As it's the weekend I will try and call tomorrow redroutes tfl phone line listed on here https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red-routes/penalty-charge-notices?cid=redroutespcn and see what they have to say.

However I'd like to contact ZipCar and tell them to start contacting TFL regarding this as their last letter indicated that they did.

I am at a loss of what options I have.
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Hi All

Thanks for your responses. This is my first time in the forum, it is great to see such a constructive community here.

The address on the V5C was actually an even older London address I had which I lived in early 2023. I forgot to change my V5C when moving address (which I have now done). I appreciate this is not ideal and just makes the situation more confusing. Basically between my last official London address and my current residence, I was waiting for houses to complete and so was moving around between in laws and my parents house with my wife so the address situation is a bit all over the place.

The reason I potentially have had the letter sent to my mother in laws address is that I had another PCN in the same area (Tunbridge Wells), so possibly the council had the address details for the reg plate from a previous submission I did where I may have been staying with my mother and thus used her address. Otherwise, there is no way they would know that address as my V5C does not have it. Although I have received a CDER letter, I do not have ANY correspondence from the council itself abot the initial contravention asking for payment. I have no idea where these letters are or where they are sent. When they didn't hear anything from me on the current PCN, they likely forwarded it to CDER with the same address I used on a previous submission (just a hypothesis).

I know it was advised not to do this, but I did contact the council. If it has made the situation worse then so be it, I will just clear the current charge. I have told the council that letters have not been received and as such, I am happy to clear the original charge with the council on the misunderstanding explained.

CDER have given me a deadline of 6am on the 6th November to respond to them. The email below to council was sent yesterday, and obviously they were closed so I would look to have a call with them tomorrow morning.

Letter below:

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Dear Tunbridge Wells Borough Council,

I am writing to request your assistance regarding a Penalty Charge Notice issued for a bus lane contravention on 6th May 2023, associated with my vehicle registration number *****.

At the time of the incident, I was temporarily residing with my mother-in-law at ****, Tunbridge Wells. I have since relocated to a new residence in Mayfield at the beginning of 2024 and have not returned to my mother-in-law’s house. Consequently, I was not aware of any correspondence regarding this fine, as I did not receive any notices sent to the *** address.

Recently, my wife found a letter from CDER Group, dated 24th October 2024, indicating a total outstanding amount of £189. This amount includes what I understand to be the original fine of £114 as well as an additional £75 enforcement fee. However, I am unclear if £114 is the initial amount or if it has been adjusted over time due to missed deadlines from prior correspondence.

I would like to confirm the original amount of the penalty at the time of the contravention on 6th May 2023. Given that I missed the initial notices due to the change of address, I am kindly requesting if I could be permitted to pay this original contravention amount only, without the added enforcement fee. Had I been aware of the initial correspondence from the council, I would have paid promptly to avoid any escalation.

Please let me know if there are further steps I need to take to resolve this situation and settle this matter as soon as possible.

Thank you for your understanding and consideration.
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The Flame Pit / Re: Foreign licence > 12months @ Red light camera
« Last post by roythebus on Today at 08:43:20 am »
I'd suggest you wait until you get a 172 notice to identify driver. Who is the car registered to and where?
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The Flame Pit / Foreign licence > 12months @ Red light camera
« Last post by Ctois on Today at 03:37:16 am »
Hi all

I am a holder of a foreign licence. It is from a country that can’t be exchanged for a UK one. I was permitted to driver for 12 months starting July last year.


I totally missed this like a dumb@ss and continued to drive.
Got flashed by a red light camera today, and worried stiff.
I saw it turning amber when I drove past it,  when I drove I got slowed behind a crawling bus.

I have an insurance that will last me till Feb. Not sure if it is valid now given I am not “supposed to” drive.

Should I find a lawyer? How bad are the penalties?
I googled and saw jail term or criminal charges.
Don’t want to lose my job or go to prison!

Grateful for kind advice, thank you

Charles T.
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I've just spotted the possible only benefit of the B word, your passport will be stamped upon exit and entry to the UK. Oh, the other benefit is if you get a speeding ticket abroad there's not much they can do about it unless you are stopped by the feds at the time. :)
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