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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2024, 10:42:41 am »
This applies to parking contraventions.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2024, 12:16:38 pm »
Thank you.
They still need to reply to me and I'm concerned about any receipt of that with Royal Mail.  I did provide email and mobile number and stated NOT to communicate by post but doubt they will take any notice
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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2024, 07:32:52 pm »
That's not your choice. They are obliged to serve a Notice of Acceptance or Rejection by first-class post.
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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2024, 10:51:14 pm »
Didn't realise that! :(
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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2024, 10:59:33 pm »
Just relax and obtain evidence re envelope etc.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2024, 04:26:39 pm »
Absolute joke of a reply:

Received a letter dated 22 July from Havering:

1.No representations made (hand delivered and video’d doing it)
2. They have issued a notice of rejection etc and no appeal (never received anything)
3. They issued Notice of rejection of Adjudicator’s recommendation (not to me – nothing received)
4. An appeal was made to an adjudication which was either unsuccessful or withdrawn !!

Total increased charge £195

Will attempt to upload the letter otherwise it is on my U drive: https://1drv.ms/b/s!Ap8lM3AI_i7_hJJnL8l5bdm0mBMsaw?e=xW67Rx
No luck with uploading  I get a message folder is full

What's the next step please as there is no acknowledgement of the hand delivered representation?
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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2024, 05:28:08 pm »
Wait for the Order for Recovery which will come with the Statutory Declaration.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι ε

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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2024, 08:54:42 pm »
The details only say they may apply to County Court to register charge cert. if CC makes an Order for Recovery.  If they don't, how long do I wait?
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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2024, 10:02:18 pm »
They will send it when you do not pay.  Check the status regularly please.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι ε

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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2024, 10:12:31 pm »
The problem is not receiving post from them that they say they've sent.
This seems to be a common occurrence with others saying the same.
What happens if I don't receive anything?
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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2024, 10:49:07 pm »
Check the PCN status regularly.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι ε

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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2024, 10:04:01 am »
@cp8759  Just reading through all the info so I'm clear on everything. Going back to your comment "grounds listed on the council website are all wrong: ground F, G and H on the council website are all inapplicable." 

I have been trying to find that on the website and gone through each section,but failed to find. 
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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2024, 11:40:05 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on July 28, 2024, 10:49:07 pm
Check the PCN status regularly.

I did post earlier but not sure it posted as can't see it.
14 days was up for the Charge Certificate on 4 August
No update on Havering website except charge of £195

They have a Parking PCN Online enquiry form which has a drop down for "I have not received the Order for Recovery"

Should I complete that?
It says please provide some additonal details - what should this say?

Concerned that it will go to the next step of Recovery Agents

Screenshot on One Drive: https://1drv.ms/i/s!Ap8lM3AI_i7_hJMbzi9tIc2HoAuKpQ?e=1N81KG

Thanks again and apologies finding it difficult to follow and answer the trail
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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #43 on: August 08, 2024, 12:50:10 am »
It can't go to the bailiffs until they have registered the debt at TEC, hence you need to be pro-active in checking for the registration. You could also ring TEC every so often quoting the PCN number.
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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2024, 01:04:19 am »
Should I not let them know by the online form that I've not received it?

Little info on the main PCN page which says £195
Can't find anywhere else with more info.

Called TEC this morning - nothing listed as yet
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