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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
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Quote from: Haveringresident on August 08, 2024, 01:04:19 am
Should I not let them know by the online form that I've not received it?

Little info on the main PCN page which says £195
Can't find anywhere else with more info.

Called TEC this morning - nothing listed as yet
Of course as well as you checking diligently, as you seem to be doing so far, (well done !), they must send you by post an Order for Recovery. However, with postal delays etc, that's why we advise keeping an eye on the TEC registration process, because once it's sent out, there are a fixed number of days in which to respond.
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Thanks for responde
If I complete the online form for no receipt of Order, what additional info about everyone, should I add which they request?
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For an in-time submission, it's just a box to tick. Out-of-time is another matter !
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Why not contact the council!

Apart from anything else it attempts to summarise the situation, sets out the procedure for your benefit, gives them feedback and lodges a request to be notified by email.

All they could say is no!

Dear Sir,
PCN ********

I made representations against the NTO for the above on **** and recently received a Charge Certificate. This prompted me to check on your website and I can see that you issued a Notice of Rejection on ****.

It is my intention to submit a Statutory Declaration to the effect that I made representations but did not receive a response which, if made in time, would engage the procedure for Invalid Notices. My worry is that as one letter has gone astray this could happen to any Order for Recovery, but my concerns would be allayed if I knew when the OfR was sent as I would be able to download the necessary document and action at my end whether the order arrives or not.

In short, I am not seeking to step outside procedure or debate your decision on my representations, I am merely giving you feedback with a request that you would email me when the OfR is issued.

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« Reply #49 on: »
Unfortunately when I phoned to ascertain where online I could find the information on my re my PCN and Notice of Rejection, it was just a recorded call.

A letter has to be sent with any queries.
Although there is an email address for reviewing footage they don't appear to acknowledge anyone, according to others who have tried to contact them

I have a couple of options:
1. Send by post the information you kindly provided (and hope it will arrive) Mention delivered by hand?
2, Attempt to send email - which I think will be rejected
3. Add the details on the Parking PCN Online enquiry form (I know it is supposed to be for our of time) but it might be read ?
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Quote from: H C Andersen on August 08, 2024, 11:35:35 am
Why not contact the council!

Apart from anything else it attempts to summarise the situation, sets out the procedure for your benefit, gives them feedback and lodges a request to be notified by email.

All they could say is no!

Dear Sir,
PCN ********

Have done 2) sent by email and 3) done online

Will see if either is acknowledged and if not will send by post but at least I have a reference number for the PCN online query form.

Will follow up on Monday with TEC to see if Order for Recovery has been submitted.

Thanks
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Following submission on 10 August, of the online form as suggested I have received the below email from Havering council today, despite stating that I hand delivered my represenation. I have been following up regularly with TEC as suggested.

"Dear Mrs XXXX

Thank you for your email.

Our records show no representation was received via post or via the online facility against HGxxxx

Please be advised the Order for Recovery will be served by post once the registration of the debt has been completed by the Traffic Enforcement Centre (TEC).

There are no facilities for the system to issue the Order for Recovery via email.

If you wish to get an update on registration of the debt with TEC we would advise you contact us in approx. 14 days for the update and we can review what stage the case is at "

Should I reply or just wait for the Order of Recovery and what is the time frame for that?  PCN 7 June and Charge Certificate 22 July.

Thanks
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« Last Edit: August 28, 2024, 09:22:04 pm by Hippocrates »
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Still nothing on the Order for Recovery.  Have been phoning TEC weekly.
I'm going to follow up with the email sent by Havering but I'm concerned as I'm likely to be away on holiday if anything arrives.  I can get neighbour to check mail if necessary. 
What happens in the event that I'm away?.  I will be adding that in the email to the council
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How long are you away?
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
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22nd - 4th October
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Within 21 days to file a Statutory Declaration from the date shown on the postmark of the OFR.

This is the time limit.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
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Thanks. I'll check again before I leave
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Have a good one. I am off on the 13th to sit under the Plane Tree. But will be watching. BTW the other case was won.

Kuttykrishnan Ramswaroop v London Borough of Havering (2240327073, 3 September 2024).pdf
Google Docs · drive.google.com
« Last Edit: September 12, 2024, 09:08:41 pm by Hippocrates »
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Thanks. Yes I read that it won. Great news
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