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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #75 on: November 07, 2023, 09:39:18 pm »
Thanks for this.

My comment is as follows: you mean "lawyers" or "solicitors"?  My daughter has a Master's Degree in law and she is a solicitor.  So, I ask:  what kind of lawyer and at what level?  The reason I ask is that most people regard "lawyer" as different from "solicitor".  Do you mean "barrister", "solicitor advocate" or whatever?

As an aside cp, we are both well aware of a certain lawyer's flawed advice given to one London Borough re bus lane contraventions!

Finally, I know for a fact that "lawyers" do not study parking law as part of their degree - reverting back to my daughter's degrees, whose theses I edited occasionally!
« Last Edit: November 07, 2023, 09:47:07 pm by Hippocrates »
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #76 on: November 07, 2023, 09:44:51 pm »
In my experience, “lawyer” is used as a term encompassing all qualified lawyers, e.g. barristers, solicitors and so forth.

Ultimately, who cares?

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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #77 on: November 07, 2023, 11:39:09 pm »
People who are not aware of your definitions and do not have your qualifications as implied  per my post.
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #78 on: November 08, 2023, 12:05:59 am »
Finally

I think that there is also a difference of opinion regarding the meaning of the word "finally".
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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #79 on: November 08, 2023, 12:42:24 am »
People who are not aware of your definitions and do not have your qualifications as implied  per my post.

No, it’s pretty universal. Lawyer is used as a catch all term to describe all shades of legal professionals. But still - who cares?

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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #80 on: November 08, 2023, 10:06:08 am »
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No, it’s pretty universal. Lawyer is used as a catch all term to describe all shades of legal professionals. But still - who cares?

Indeed. My next door neighbour is a "lawyer". She is a solicitor - well qualified and has been practising for years. But she hasn't a clue what a NIP or a s172 request is. She came to me for advice and a view on the likely outcome when her husband received one earlier this year.

"Legal Advice" is not the sole preserve of lawyers (though there is one occasional correspondent on Pepipoo who would love us to believe otherwise!  ;D)

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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #81 on: November 08, 2023, 10:07:03 am »
Well fortunately I had the foresight of clarifying my position in my signature below, so that should minimise the scope for confusion.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #82 on: November 08, 2023, 01:10:05 pm »

That being said, we have at least two qualified lawyers in our ranks and I am yet to see an instance where someone has been given advice, either here or on pepipoo, which if given by a lawyer could have been described as negligently given.

Well, there was the Maidstone case last year which was rescued by a certain member on pepipoo.  The same member, indeed, has rescued two other cases contrary to the general advice of the forum - both reviews.

Nobody is infallible.
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #83 on: November 08, 2023, 01:11:35 pm »
Nobody is infallible.
I'm not sure the JSCs would agree, but none of them have joined our ranks.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

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cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #84 on: November 08, 2023, 01:15:12 pm »
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No, it’s pretty universal. Lawyer is used as a catch all term to describe all shades of legal professionals. But still - who cares?

Indeed. My next door neighbour is a "lawyer". She is a solicitor - well qualified and has been practising for years. But she hasn't a clue what a NIP or a s172 request is. She came to me for advice and a view on the likely outcome when her husband received one earlier this year.

"Legal Advice" is not the sole preserve of lawyers (though there is one occasional correspondent on Pepipoo who would love us to believe otherwise!  ;D)

I am about to report a barrister for his incompetence and "curvature of the word" and, indeed, attempts to intimidate a client of mine through the stating of complete and utterly vexatious untruth.  Yet alone the dysfunctional state of his parking services while on his watch.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2023, 01:21:38 pm by Hippocrates »
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι εἰ