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Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2025, 05:11:18 pm »
Link for reference: https://assets.live.dxp.maginfrastructure.com/f/73114/x/df8f2e7b97/stn-injunction-stansted-airport-court-order.pdf?_gl=1*vi0z7d*_gc_au*NzgzOTEyMzEzLjE3NTkxNjMzNDE

I'm not convinced by their inference that the map in that court order is a map defining the boundaries for the application of byelaws. It identifies the land that is to be considered "Stansted Airport" for the purposes of that case, which would seem to be a different matter. It's hard to see how that map would amend or supercede any map that forms part of the byelaws.

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Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2025, 07:36:47 pm »
Below is text you can paste into your POPLA “Comments on operator evidence” box. It keeps the original point intact, adds the operator-pack rebuttal, includes HTML links to each map source, and explains why there can be no keeper liability.

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Section E – Operator’s map and boundary claim

The operator’s “boundary” plan in Section E is not an airport estate boundary at all. It is a red-line taken from a High Court interim protest injunction that defines where protest-control measures apply for a limited legal purpose and period. The Order itself defines “Stansted Airport” only as “the land shown…on Plan 2 to the Claim Form,” and it includes review and service provisions (e.g. notices at locations marked “X”) that underline its narrow, enforcement nature. See:

https://www.stanstedairport.com/injunction/

This is not an operator boundary plan, does not purport to fix the airport’s statutory/operational extent, and is therefore irrelevant to the “relevant land” analysis under Schedule 4 PoFA.

By contrast, the appellant’s map is drawn from the airport operator’s own planning submission—the Stansted Terminal Extension Design & Access Statement (July 2023)—which describes the airport landholding and shows the site plan used by the operator and the planning authority to define the estate context (“the land within the airport’s boundaries is approximately 957 hectares”). This is precisely the type of authoritative operator material POPLA should prefer when understanding the airport boundary as a whole. Source:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/64d0fc30e5491a00134b5946/Design___Access_Statement_-_checked.pdf (page 8, ‘Site Plan’).

Accordingly, POPLA should dismiss the injunction red-line as a litigation exhibit with a limited purpose and no bearing on the airport estate’s full extent, and instead rely on the operator’s own planning document for boundary context. On that basis—and as shown in the appellant’s evidence—Southgate Park sits within the airport estate notwithstanding any narrower area delineated for protest-injunction enforcement.

Keeper liability (PoFA) cannot arise. Schedule 4 only applies on “relevant land”. Land subject to statutory control/byelaws (such as airport land within the operator’s boundary) is excluded from the definition of “relevant land”, so PoFA keeper liability is unavailable. The operator has not produced any operator or planning-authority boundary plan that displaces the airport operator’s own material; instead they rely on a protest-injunction map that is not a boundary instrument. POPLA should therefore find that this site is not “relevant land” and that the keeper cannot be held liable under Schedule 4 PoFA.

For ease of reference:

Operator’s injunction map – https://www.stanstedairport.com/injunction/

Appellant’s authoritative boundary/context map – https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/64d0fc30e5491a00134b5946/Design___Access_Statement_-_checked.pdf

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Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2025, 09:28:27 pm »
It seems most likely that the difference in maps is down to land ownership / control.

If you examine the contract between the landowner and the parking company you'll see that the parking company's contract is with 'Tabacon Stansted 2 Limited' and not with 'Manchester Airport PLC' (who own the bulk of Stansted Airport) and therefore it would seem that there is more than one packet of land which is under statutory control at the airport.

It therefore seems reasonable that 'Manchester Airport Ltd' only included the land under their control in their injunction attempt v Just Stop Oil - land deemed outside of their control was not therefore included in the 'injunction map' which of course is the map which the parking company desperately use in their communications etc.

Lazy work from the parking company but we know that they are desperate people.
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Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
« Reply #49 on: October 02, 2025, 09:03:27 am »
Thank you, I have pasted the response you gave and will wait to hear....
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Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
« Reply #50 on: November 04, 2025, 04:10:56 pm »
I have just been told my appeal has failed and I now have to pay £100.  Reasons given are below if you are interested:

POPLA is a single-stage appeal service that is impartial and independent of the sector. When assessing an appeal, POPLA considers if the parking operator issued the parking charge notice correctly and if the driver complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park on the day. Our remit only extends to allowing or refusing an appeal. The appellant has identified as the keeper of the vehicle on the day of the parking event. As the driver has not been identified, I am considering the appellant’s liability for the PCN, as the registered keeper. I note the appellant claims that the car park is not relevant land and has provided a map of Stanstead Airport to show where the car park is situated. The parking operator has provided a map of the boundary of Airport Byelaws, and I am satisfied that the site does not fall within land under statutory control. Therefore, I am satisfied that the parking operator can pursue the PCN under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA). For a notice to keeper to be compliant with the PoFA 2012, as detailed in section 9.2, it needs to state that if the details of the driver during the time of the contravention are unknown or not provided, then the registered keeper is liable for the unpaid parking charge. It must also have been issued to the keeper within the relevant time period. I am satisfied the parking operator has successfully transferred liability to the registered keeper. I note the appellant has raised that this was not addressed in their initial appeal. POPLA’s remit does not have any authority over the parking operator’s process. If the appellant wishes to pursue any dispute regarding this matter, they will need to follow the parking operator’s complaints process found on its website. The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice sets the standards that parking operators are required to comply with. Section 3.1.3 of the Single Code of Practice contains the requirements for signs displaying the terms and conditions. The signs must be placed throughout the site, so that drivers have the opportunity to read them when parking or leaving their vehicle. The terms and conditions must be clear and unambiguous, using a font and contrast that is be conspicuous and legible. The parking operator provided evidence of the signs on the car park, which advise that a £100 PCN will be issued to drivers who are not registered within Starbucks for 60 minutes of free parking. The parking operator has provided evidence of a system searches, to show that there was no terminal entry for the vehicle’s duration of stay. The vehicle was captured on site for 35 minutes. The parking operator confirms that at the time the vehicle was on the site, Starbucks was closed, so they would not have been able to register for free parking. As the appellant confirmed they understood there was 60 minutes of free parking on the site, I am satisfied they saw the signs and the terms and conditions were adequately brought to motorists’ attention. The driver of the vehicle does not need to have read the terms and conditions of the contract to accept it. There is only the requirement that the driver is given the opportunity to read and understand the terms and conditions of the contract before accepting it. It is the driver’s responsibility to seek out the signs, and ensure they understand them, before agreeing to the contract and parking. After considering the evidence from both parties, the motorist parked without authorisation and therefore did not comply with the terms and conditions of the site. As such, I am satisfied the parking charge has been issued correctly and I must refuse the appeal. POPLA is not involved with the financial aspect of the parking charge. For any queries regarding payments, the appellant will need to contact the parking operator directly.

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Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
« Reply #51 on: November 04, 2025, 05:48:27 pm »
You DO NOT have to pay a penny! That decision is NOT binding on you and has no bearing on anything going forward.

Just because a POPLA assessor does not have the intellectual malnourishment to understand the law, does not mean that a judge would not. Not that this will EVER get as far as a hearing. However, you must send formal complaint to POPLA about this decision. Not that it will change it, but it does put them on record for their incompetent assessors and the failures to understand basic principle of civil contract law.

Send the following as your formal complaint and let us know when you receive a response:

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Subject: Formal Complaint – Material Error of Fact and Failure to Engage with Evidence (POPLA Ref: [insert reference])

To: POPLA Complaints Team

I am filing a formal complaint regarding the conduct and quality of adjudication in my POPLA appeal decision. This is not an attempt to reargue the merits, but to highlight clear service failings, factual errors, and a total failure to engage with the rebuttal evidence I provided.

1. The Assessor Ignored Core Rebuttal Evidence
In my rebuttal (Section E), I demonstrated that the operator’s “boundary” map was not an airport boundary plan but a High Court interim protest injunction map. The assessor’s decision entirely ignored this, falsely stating that it was a “map of the boundary of Airport Byelaws”.

The injunction map was never created to define the byelaws boundary. It simply defines land the airport company owns or controls for the limited purpose of an injunction against protestors. The decision shows that the assessor neither read nor understood my rebuttal.

I provided URLs for:
• The injunction map – https://www.stanstedairport.com/injunction/
• The airport operator’s official planning document (Design & Access Statement, July 2023) showing the true airport boundary (page 8 ‘Site Plan’) – https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/64d0fc30e5491a00134b5946/Design___Access_Statement_-_checked.pdf

The assessor’s reasoning does not mention or address these sources. Instead, they blindly accepted the operator’s irrelevant map and declared that the site “does not fall within land under statutory control”. That conclusion is factually wrong and legally indefensible.

2. The Assessor Misunderstood Ownership and Statutory Control
The reason Southgate Park is omitted from the injunction perimeter has nothing to do with the byelaws. The omission is due solely to ownership. The land is held by Tabacon Stansted 2 Limited (company no. 06408287), which holds the leasehold title EX22286 for “Plot 4B Southgate, Thremhall Avenue, London Stansted Airport”.

(Companies House record: https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/06408287/charges)
Tabacon’s own project record confirms it purchased 2 acres at Stansted from BAA in 2007 and let the drive-thru plots to McDonald’s in the South Gate Amenity Area (https://tabacon.webnode.page/projects/stansted-airport-mcdonalds-tabacon-stansted-ltd-and-tabacon-stansted-2-ltd-/).

Because the injunction can only bind land the claimant owns or controls, Southgate Park is excluded. However, the Stansted Airport Byelaws 1996 (https://assets.live.dxp.maginfrastructure.com/f/73114/x/46195467c9/stansted-byelaws.pdf) apply to all land within the defined byelaws boundary, irrespective of ownership.

The byelaws are a statutory instrument under the Airports Act 1986; they do not depend on who owns the land. The assessor failed to recognise this distinction and wrongly equated ownership with statutory control.

3. The Legal Consequence – Land Is Not “Relevant Land”
Under Schedule 4 Paragraph 3 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, “relevant land” excludes any land where parking is subject to statutory control, such as airport byelaws. Ownership is irrelevant; statutory control is decisive.

By accepting an injunction map as proof of exclusion from the byelaws, the assessor committed a material error of law and wrongly concluded that PoFA applies. Keeper liability cannot exist for parking alleged to occur on land within the Stansted Airport byelaws boundary.

4. Requested Actions
I therefore request that POPLA:
1. Conduct a service review for failure to engage with material rebuttal evidence and for misapplication of law.
2. Confirm whether any quality assurance or legal oversight occurred before the decision was issued.
3. Provide a written explanation of:
• Why a protest injunction map was treated as a byelaws boundary plan.
• Why the official airport operator planning document and byelaws were ignored.
• Why the assessor failed to understand the difference between ownership and statutory control.
4. Confirm the name of the assessor and reviewer responsible for this decision.

5. Summary
The assessor accepted an irrelevant document without scrutiny, ignored authoritative evidence, and reached a conclusion contrary to statutory definition and common sense. This represents a clear failure of competence, accuracy, and impartiality. The matter requires internal investigation and retraining to prevent repetition.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
[Address or POPLA Reference]
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Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
« Reply #52 on: November 05, 2025, 08:13:39 am »
Thanks for this, but unfortunately I didn't see your reply yesterday and I paid the fine.  I found it all very stressful.   
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Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
« Reply #53 on: November 05, 2025, 12:19:51 pm »
Thanks for this, but unfortunately I didn't see your reply yesterday and I paid the fine.  I found it all very stressful.

Unfortunately, you've been subject to a complex and well worked fraud - you should consider reporting it as such to your bank (assuming that you paid using a debit or credit card.)

This PCN was never a 'fine' - it is in fact a speculative invoice.

Parking companies who operate on airport land know full well that their legal position is very weak. As a result they consistently project a false narrative in an effort to persuade recipients to pay their speculative invoices.

In this particular case, the parking company could quite easily clarify the precise boundary of the area under statutory control... but they choose not to as it is not in their interest to do so. Ditto POPLA.

In your case, POPLA where confronted with conflicting evidence with regard to the area under statutory control - but they immediately took the side of the parking company and discounted your evidence. The POPLA assessor was clearly too lazy to make some simple checks himself / herself. I wonder why that was? Notice how the assessor is very careful to tiptoe around the conflicting evidence - he / she makes absolutely no effort to explain why he / she feels that the parking company evidence is stronger than your evidence.

As well as contacting your bank, you should still submit the formal complaint.
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Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
« Reply #54 on: November 05, 2025, 12:33:25 pm »
Here's a successful appeal at POPLA using the same evidence which you submitted.

Arguably, your evidence was much stronger because we provided reasoning as to why the parking company map was not relevant.


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Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
« Reply #55 on: November 05, 2025, 05:31:40 pm »
Send the POPLA complaint anyway. It needs to be on the record.

Why would stress over a speculative invoice from a firm of ex-clampers? Maybe I should send you a speculative invoice for £50 and offer you a 20% discount if you pay it within 14 days. They got you thinning, wrongly, that this is some sort of "fine" and you fell for it, hook, line and sinker.
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Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
« Reply #56 on: November 06, 2025, 09:08:07 am »
I did send it.  I appreciate the help on here, but you seem to assume that everyone has the same level of knowledge & understanding of these processes and the law as you do.  We don't.  If you are going to give up your time to help, it would be nice if you could do it in a less condescending manner. It's one of the reasons I found it stressful.

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Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
« Reply #57 on: November 06, 2025, 10:32:00 am »
Unfortunately, these PPN`s can be stressful to some to work through.

The regulars give their time and experience and sometimes it may seem stressful.

But, it may take this to get the advise over to some posters.

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Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
« Reply #58 on: November 06, 2025, 12:39:32 pm »
The whole industry runs on the fear that threats of fines and potential court action creates in people who don’t have the knowledge of how to fight back. I know for example that it would work in relation to some of my family if I wasn’t there to reassure them.

It’s disappointing when someone finds their way here but then lets this fear over rule the advice and pays anyway. It will happen I guess, but hopefully only very infrequently.

I’ve been involved helping family/friends in a few cases, so only very limited experience compared to our regular posters but over time you do build confidence and get into the rhythm of the nature of the posts. Unfortunately for many I guess a visit here is a one off or at least only very occasional so I can understand why some find the responses more challenging.

But we do have to always remember that the posters here, provide their considerable time and expertise for free and with their help we build a bigger and stronger body of people who can help people fight back against what is an inherently dishonest industry.
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Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
« Reply #59 on: November 06, 2025, 01:02:24 pm »
It happens.
People also come here and seem to expect personal service for their unique problem, which is in fact a common problem well documented on the forum. They get a response, but sometimes it’s going to be terse albeit factual.
Most of the people who contribute to this forum don’t have unique specialised knowledge but are trying to help and have learned by reading and understanding what others have said.
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