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Re: Euro Car Parks- DCB Legal- Help/advise needed
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2024, 03:19:32 pm »


Hopefully this works. I could attach images fine last week.

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Re: Euro Car Parks- DCB Legal- Help/advise needed
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2024, 04:05:41 pm »
Here is the defence and draft order that will go with it. Only the defence will need editing with the claimant and your names, the claim number and then signed by typing your name and dating it at the bottom.

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]
BETWEEN:

[Claimant's Full Name]

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]

Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies any liability for this claim.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.


3.The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The reason stated in the PoC is not factually correct. A PandD/permit was purchased and did cover the date and time of parking;

(b) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16.7.5;

(c) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(d) The PoC do not set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts);

(e) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(f) The PoC do not state exactly how the claim for statutory interest is calculated;

(g) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(h) The PoC states that the Claimant is suing the defendant as the driver or the keeper. The claimant obviously knows whether the defendant is being sued as the driver or the keeper and should not be permitted to plead alternative causes of action.

4. The Defendant has attached to this defence a copy of an order made at another court which the allocating judge ought to make at this stage so that the Defendant can then know and understand the case which they face and can then respond properly to the claim.


Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order:

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Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the Particulars of Claim and the defence

AND the court being of the view that there is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the Particulars of Claim do not comply with CPR 16.4.

It is Ordered that:

1. Unless the Claimant do, within 14 days of service of this order, file and serve at court a further Particulars of Claim supported by a statement of truth which complies with CPR 16.4 and which sets out:

(i) the precise and concise factual allegations it makes against the Defendant; and

(ii) the factual or legal [or both] basis of its claim; and

(iii) the evidence relied on that the Defendant was the driver; and

(iv) the evidence relied on that all the requirements of PoFA 14(2)(a) were complied with; and

(v) exactly how its claim is calculated (if there is a claim for a fixed sum)

then the claim shall be struck out.

2. For the avoidance of doubt the further Particulars of Claim must:

(a) refer to and have attached to them (clearly marked "A") a copy of the contract (or contracts) between the claimant and defendant relied on.

(b) set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is (or are) relied on.

(c) have attached to them (clearly marked "B") a copy of each of the PCNs which forms the basis of this claim.

(d) must state by what method each of the PCNs was first brought to the attention of the defendant. For example, attaching it to the defendant's vehicle.

(e) in respect of each alleged breach of contract, set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts that the defendant was in breach of contract.

(f) in respect of each alleged breach of contract, set out (i) the full postal address of where the breach took place and (ii) the precise date and time of the alleged breach and (iii) exactly how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was incurred.

(g) in respect of each alleged breach of contract, must state whether the defendant is sued as the driver of the vehicle or the keeper or the hirer of the vehicle.

(h) not plead that the defendant is sued in the alternative as the driver of the vehicle or as the keeper of the vehicle.

(i) state clearly whether the claim is brought under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, and specify whether the defendant is pursued as the hirer or keeper of the vehicle. If the defendant is pursued as the hirer, the claimant must provide evidence of compliance with PoFA, including copies of the Notice to Hirer, the Notice to Keeper, and the relevant documents mandated in PoFA paragraph 14(2)(a).

(j) must explain the factual or legal (or both) basis of the claim for damages.

(k) set out a precise calculation of the claim for statutory interest up to the date of issue to include the date interest started running.

3. Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or stay this order by an application on notice which must be filed at this Court no more than 5 days after service of this order, failing which no such application may be made.

Once you have made the required edits in the defence, save them both as PDF files and attach them to an email addressed to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject and in the body of the email just state that attached is the Defence and accompanying Draft Order for [claimant] v [defendant] Claim No.: [claim number].

When sent, make sure that you receive an auto response from the CNBC which should be almost immediate and certainly within a few minutes. If not, try again and if still no luck, use a different email agent.
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Re: Euro Car Parks- DCB Legal- Help/advise needed
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2024, 03:40:53 pm »
Thanks I've sent my defence and draft order off now and have received the automatic reply. I was having a look at my claim on MCOL and I've just realised that I've ticked the 'I intend to contest court jurisdiction'. Will this cause any problems?

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Re: Euro Car Parks- DCB Legal- Help/advise needed
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2024, 04:31:21 pm »
Thanks I've sent my defence and draft order off now and have received the automatic reply. I was having a look at my claim on MCOL and I've just realised that I've ticked the 'I intend to contest court jurisdiction'. Will this cause any problems?

Hopefully not.

You could take the following steps to correct the mistake:

Notify the Court in Writing: Send a letter by email to the CNCBC at dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk explaining the error you made in the N180 DQ. Include the correct information and clearly state which answer needs to be amended.

Resubmit the Corrected Form: Along with the letter, attach a corrected version of the N180 form (clearly marked as "Amended" at the top). Ensure the court claim number and parties’ names are included on both the letter and the form.

Send a Copy to the Other Party: Make sure to send a copy of the amended N180 DQ to the claimant or their solicitor, in line with the standard procedure.

Keep Records: Retain copies of all correspondence and the corrected form for your records and confirmation of receipt (if sent by email).

If in doubt about the process, you can contact the CNBC by phone to confirm they have received your correction and ask if further steps are necessary.
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Re: Euro Car Parks- DCB Legal- Help/advise needed
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2024, 06:37:06 pm »
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Hi, just need some confirmation to make sure that I haven't missed a step in this process.

So on 30/09/2024 I submitted my defence and received this letter a few days later from the County Court.
MCOL was also updated to show that my defence was received on 02/10/2024.

However, since then, I have not received any letters or communication from anybody about this case which I've found puzzling. MCOL has not updated since 02/10/2024 either with the latest update being that my defence had been received.

Is there anything else that I need to do apart from wait?
If all I need to do is wait, what's the cut-off point for them to respond? (Letter states 28 days but unsure when it starts from)
In case I have missed any letters in the post, would MCOL update automatically if they wanted to proceed?
Is this unusual or expected from DCBLegal?

Thanks all
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Re: Euro Car Parks- DCB Legal- Help/advise needed
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2024, 07:13:46 pm »
Patience. They have 28 days to respond but you don’t know when the CNBC sent a copy of your defence to them.

Keep checking your MCOL history and when you see that your DQ has been sent you can download one and complete it online.
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Re: Euro Car Parks- DCB Legal- Help/advise needed
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2024, 11:14:33 am »
Hello folks, so as predicted, I have received a letter in the post from DCBLegal that they have have reviewed my defence and intend to proceed with claim (along with the other usual BS).

What are the next steps? Having read other threads I believe it's the DQ?

MCOL is yet to update that they have responded to my defence.

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Re: Euro Car Parks- DCB Legal- Help/advise needed
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2024, 02:46:36 pm »
When you sent your defence, did you receive an auto-response from the CNBC? Your MCOL should have been updated by now. It may be advisable to phone the CNBC and ask them why your MCOL has not been updated even though you submitted your defence a while ago and you received a letter confirming receipt from the CNBC .

There have been a few cases recently where the CNBC have screwed up and lost defences even though an auto-response was sent and default CCJs were entered. The CNCB will rectify this but it leads to extra work and time to get their screw ups sorted. It may be worthwhile calling the CNBC to confirm that they haven't mislaid your defence because MCOL hasn't been updated.
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Re: Euro Car Parks- DCB Legal- Help/advise needed
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2024, 03:03:17 pm »
Sorry think I may have caused some confusion. So the last update in MCOL was defence received on 02/10/2024. I had received an automactic reply from CNBC to acknowledge my defence.

I am under the impression that MCOL will update to show something like 'claimant has responded' or something similar?

I've uploaded an image but I never know if it actually shows properly.
Thanks

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Re: Euro Car Parks- DCB Legal- Help/advise needed
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2024, 03:45:36 pm »
No, you won't get anything now until your N180DQ has been sent. You are safe in the knowledge that your defence was recorded.

Download your own N180DQ and fill that in but don't send it until you see that one has been sent to you in the MCOL. After that, MCOL will not be needed anymore once it is transferred to a court local to you.

The N180, when you send it must be as a PDF attachment by email to dq.cnbc@justice.gov and you also address the same email to info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Again, the claim number must be in the email subject and just mention in thermal body that the SQ for the case is attached.
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Re: Euro Car Parks- DCB Legal- Help/advise needed
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2024, 12:45:09 pm »
MCOL has now updated to 'DQ sent to you on 04/11/2024'. I've filled my DQ out and ready to send off. Is there anything else that needs to be attached or just the DQ PDF for now?

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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2024, 12:48:56 pm »
Just send it as a pdf attachment in a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. As with the defence, you should receive an auto-response which confirms receipt.
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Re: Euro Car Parks- DCB Legal- Help/advise needed
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2024, 06:19:27 pm »
I've sent the DQ off and received an auto response from both emails.

When filling the form I only ticked 'defendant' and not 'first defendant' (at the start and end of the DQ). Should I resend it with an amendment or leave as is?

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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2024, 06:20:33 pm »
No. Just leave it.
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Re: Euro Car Parks- DCB Legal- Help/advise needed
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2025, 03:53:30 pm »
Just a quick update on this case,

I sent my DQ off and have since been receiving calls from the rats at DCB Legal which I have ignored. Then had a mediation appointment last week where I offered nothing and stated that I'm not prepared to settle etc.

Any idea what's likely to happen next and estimated timeframes for this?

Many thanks