Author Topic: CPM Parking PCN – vehicle not registered – Brindley Estate, Westminster, London  (Read 2809 times)

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No problem.

We can come up with a short sharp defence.

Give me 48 hours.
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Do you know exactly where the vehicle was stopped, out of interest?

I can't make head or tail of it from Google Street View.

The Claimant is refusing to identify the exact location.

As far as we have been able to work out, the Claimant appears to control the car park beyond the locked gates. But it was not possible for the driver to access this land since they have no way of opening the gate.

There's no way this will go to a hearing.

There's no way this will go to a hearing.
BW Legal aren't always ones for letting a poor case get in the way of turning up for a hearing.  ;D

No problem.

We can come up with a short sharp defence.

Give me 48 hours.

Thanks.

Do you know exactly where the vehicle was stopped, out of interest?

I can't make head or tail of it from Google Street View.

The only logical place for the driver to be would be this (ungated) area. Thankfully google street view has pictures from inside:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5210964,-0.1950577,3a,75y,240.39h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1ssmZkx3peCHfgunQrVRCfCA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D0%26panoid%3DsmZkx3peCHfgunQrVRCfCA%26yaw%3D240.38749423560967!7i16384!8i8192?ucbcb=1&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDYxMC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Although the street view image seems to be from 2022, the signs match until at least July 2025. You can see the sign beside the DPD van to the left. There are no UK CPM signs or terms that a driver would have seen driving from harrow road -> Alfred road -> this area.

Thanks again.

Brindley Estate Defence.



1. That liability for the debt is completely denied and that no money is owned by myself to the Claimant.

2. That it is acknowledged that I was the Registered Keeper of the vehicle in question at the material time.

3. That the vehicle driver is not known to the Claimant.

4. That the Claimant is therefore attempting to use Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) in order to invoke what is legally known as 'keeper liability' thereby moving liability from the unknown driver to myself (the keeper).

5. That, in this instance, the Claimant's Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not meet all the requirements of PoFA Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2) and therefore keeper liability cannot be invoked.

6. That with the driver unknown and keeper liability unavailable, there is no legal route to liability in this matter.

7. That throughout this matter I have attempted to engage with the Claimant in order to establish exactly where they allege the driver parked in relation to their issued PCN NtK.

8. That on each occasion the Claimant has failed to reveal the precise location of the alleged contravention.

9. That the Particulars of Claim are so vague that it is impossible to tell exactly what they are claiming for and therefore this represents a 'skeleton defence'.

10. That an examination of Google Street View shows that the Claimant appears to manage a gated cap park off Alfred Road on the Brindley Estate.

11. That at the material time the driver would not be able to access this gated car park since the driver was not in possession of an 'electronic key fob' which would allow access.

12. That all other areas surrounding this location are either public roads or car parks managed by Westminster Council and therefore not relevant to the claim pleaded.

13. That liability for the debt is therefore denied.



You should be able to submit this through MCOL.

I cannot wait for their witness statement complete with their pitch-black photos!
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Thanks.

Small update. I had an issue with the online portal so I ended up posting the defence to the court. the tech support couldn't help merge my two online accounts but offered an email address for defence (claimresponses.cnbc at justice.gov to help those in future).

Anyway, I received a letter today dated 29 June from the court stating they received my defence and it will be passed on to claimant and they will have 28 days from receipt of defence to confirm if they wish to proceed blah blah blah.

Thanks again.

Hello all.

Small update.

I received a request from the court to complete an N180 form. They want to move it to small claims track.

I have also received bw legal's n180 who do not want it moved to small claims track because they want to cross examine me (lol).

I will send my copy within the time limit using the following template:

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Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it:
What is the court name? - Find a Court or Tribunal - GOV.UK
Tell us if you know the court or tribunal name or address to find a court or tribunal in England or Wales
find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk


• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both disputeresolution@bwlegal.co.uk and enquiries@bwlegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.

Please let me know if you want any of their N180 answers.

Thanks.
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