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Man arrested after secret filming shared on TikTok
« on: November 27, 2024, 11:00:50 pm »
While I am 100% against any form of misogyny or harassment, I find this story a bit puzzling: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2450d5993vo

As I understand it, this person has gone around filming what was in public view, and frankly the content doesn't appear dissimilar to what is captured by Channel 5, ITV & BBC camera crews on various police programmes following public order officers around on a Friday and Saturday night. It's not my choice of viewing but if filming a drunk girl throwing up in a gutter or passed out on the pavement is now a criminal offence, surely those camera crews working for TV production companies should also be arrested?

It's also tricky to see how allegations of harassment or stalking could be sustained if the conduct was done without the knowledge of the person being filmed, and with the intention that the person being filmed would never find out about it.

The person who has been arrested was, as I understand it, engaging in this activity for business purposes i.e. to provide entertainment content to his viewers. While commercial activity has less protection under article 10 of the ECHR than, say, political speech, this seems to me to be an abuse of the criminal law. The fact that many people would find his content distasteful or even extremely distasteful seems to me to be irrelevant as long as it doesn't amount to hate speech or an incitement to violence.

After all nobody is made to go out and get so drunk as to cause an embarrassment to themselves, and it seems absurd to make it a criminal offence to film people who have made themselves so drunk as to end up in an embarrassing position in a public place.

What am I missing?
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Re: Man arrested after secret filming shared on TikTok
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2024, 11:09:16 pm »
apparently he was upskirting and other more intimate filming.
then selling the illegal filming. 

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Re: Man arrested after secret filming shared on TikTok
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2024, 11:22:01 pm »
Then I would have expected him to be arrested for a voyeurism offence under section 67A of the Sexual Offences Act 2003, the offences mentioned in the media suggest the police were dealing with a "this is outrageous but we don't have an offence that quite fits" situation.
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Re: Man arrested after secret filming shared on TikTok
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2024, 11:37:19 pm »
Perhaps he was secretly harbouring disrespectful opinions of the Beloved and Respected Leader, when he was doing whatever it was he was doing?
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Re: Man arrested after secret filming shared on TikTok
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2024, 09:37:13 am »
or attacked a policeman with a feather 🪶


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Re: Man arrested after secret filming shared on TikTok
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2024, 11:20:04 am »
or attacked a policeman with a feather 🪶

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Re: Man arrested after secret filming shared on TikTok
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2024, 06:58:52 pm »
the offences mentioned in the media...
There you have it. The media are good at being rather vague about the actual offence being arrested for/charged with/guilt of. I've seen loads of articles reporting court cases where they fail to name the exact charge that was being tried, which makes having an opinion on the rights or wrongs of the sentence passed somewhat difficult. Or maybe that's why they report in that way.

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Re: Man arrested after secret filming shared on TikTok
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2024, 07:12:57 pm »
Or maybe that's why they report in that way.

To make the general public think that they can’t film in public? Cynic…

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Re: Man arrested after secret filming shared on TikTok
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2024, 08:01:04 pm »
the itv news report the other night went into a bit more detail, I've noted that it's died a death all of a sudden. oh and is there still a war on Ukraine?

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Re: Man arrested after secret filming shared on TikTok
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2024, 09:30:45 pm »
From The GMP's own web page report

Man arrested following investigation into videos of women on nights out in Manchester
Published: 17:0327/11/2024
This morning (Wednesday 27 November 2024), we’ve arrested a 27-year-old man from Bradford on suspicion of voyeurism and harassment, in connection with several reports of women being followed, filmed, and harassed in Manchester City Centre.

This arrest is thought to be the first in the country linked with several viral videos on social media platforms appearing to have filmed women on nights out, some whilst in vulnerable positions.

As well as the widely viewed videos posted publicly, through further investigation, we found more content locked under paywalled accounts which included footage of suspected non-consensual nudity and upskirting.

After the issue was first brought to our attention, we made several appeals for anyone directly impacted by these videos to come forward. Many women did so, explaining the fear this had created for them, and the impact on their feeling of being safe whilst out at night.

Over the past few months, our neighbourhood team have worked in close consultation with the CPS to understand what next steps we could take with the reports received.

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Re: Man arrested after secret filming shared on TikTok
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2024, 09:43:32 pm »
we found more content locked under paywalled accounts which included footage of suspected non-consensual nudity and upskirting.

Yeah, that’ll do it.
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Re: Man arrested after secret filming shared on TikTok
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2024, 02:27:57 pm »

Surely the key phrase is "through further investigation" ?

As well as the widely viewed videos posted publicly, through further investigation, we found more content locked under paywalled accounts which included footage of suspected non-consensual nudity and upskirting.


Which implies that the initial arrest/warrant was based on the behaviour CP suggests isn't criminal, and that the dodgy stuff was found later, perhaps fortuitously.


But as we don't know what the initial complaints were, this is all speculation.