Author Topic: 6 Points Already on License, Now received 2 different speeding notices (NIP) in one week, yet to respond to them.  (Read 166 times)

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Hello all, I have been driving for about 6 years now and currently have the following points:

June 2025: Speeding (SP30): 3 points
December 2025: Speeding (SP30): 3 points

I have received 2 NIPs in the space of a week asking me to identify the driver. Both myself and partner are insured to drive the car. Partner has no points on license.

NIP 1: Driving 40mph on a 30mph road
NIP 2: Driving 38mph on a 30mph road.

I have reviewed the photographic evidence in both NIPs, they were gotten from the fixed camera on the roads. While I can clearly see the car and number plate, it is impossible to see who was driving, as it was late at night and dead dark. While I cannot remember exactly who was driving it is likely to be me as my partner typically does not speed, but we are not certain.

Is it possible the police has other images or video that could help us identify who was driving? Is it better to say it was me as this is most likely?

Please what do you think is the best way to proceed here. I have not yet responded to either NIP. Thank you so much.
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 08:57:19 pm by Prolifier886 »

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If I didn't know any better, I would say that you were asking us to conspire with you to pervert the course of justice.

Do NOT do that. We don't like people who pervert the course of justice, and we dislike people who ask us to conspire with them even more.
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Was this in England/Wales or Scotland? Have you done a Speed Awareness Course for an offence committed less than 3 years before the latest offences? In England/Wales, you should expect to be offered a Speed Awareness Course for up to 42 in a 30 limit if eligible.
I am responsible for the accuracy of the information I post, not your ability to comprehend it.

Thanks alot for your response.
No, I am not trying to pervert the course of justice at all and understand that is a very serious and worse offence.
I am based in England and have previously attended a speed awareness course in 2024.
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 08:11:45 pm by Prolifier886 »

The pictures are primarily to identify the vehicle and the offence.  However, yes, they may have better (evidential) photos than any they've supplied thus far.

Noting one insured driver has no points and the other could tot along with a question about photo quality does whiff of haddock...

The s172 requirement requires reasonable diligence to identify the driver (irrespective of the current number of points and the potential outcomes).  Of course, there's always the statutory defence if you do not know who was driving and could not identify them after the aforementioned diligence - but failing to convince the bench is 6 points apiece along with associated costs.

What would you do in this situation if you were on zero points?

Thank you very much for your response.

It is not worth it at all trying to lie about who was driving and could lead to very catastrophic and life altering consequences. My partner and I would sit down and recollect to recall who was driving at that time.
If it was me driving, which I think is more likely though I am not certain, I would definitely accept all liability.

What do you think is the likely outcome? Do you think it is worth it getting a solicitor as all this is completely new to me.

The almost certain outcome is that you will eventually be asked to attend court where you will face a “totting up” ban of six months.

You can avoid this disqualification if you can convince the court that you or others will face “exceptional hardship” if you are banned. Here’s the Magistrates’ guidance which they refer to when considering such a claim:

"When considering whether there are grounds to reduce or avoid a totting up disqualification the court should have regard to the following:

It is for the offender to prove to the civil standard of proof that such grounds exist. Other than very exceptionally, this will require evidence from the offender, and where such evidence is given, it must be sworn.

Where it is asserted that hardship would be caused, the court must be satisfied that it is not merely inconvenience, or hardship, but exceptional hardship for which the court must have evidence.

Almost every disqualification entails hardship for the person disqualified and their immediate family. This is part of the deterrent objective of the provisions combined with the preventative effect of the order not to drive.

If a motorist continues to offend after becoming aware of the risk to their licence of further penalty points, the court can take this circumstance into account.

Courts should be cautious before accepting assertions of exceptional hardship without evidence that alternatives (including alternative means of transport) for avoiding exceptional hardship are not viable.

Loss of employment will be an inevitable consequence of a driving ban for many people. Evidence that loss of employment would follow from disqualification is not in itself sufficient to demonstrate exceptional hardship; whether or not it does will depend on the circumstances of the offender and the consequences of that loss of employment on the offender and/or others."


You don’t need a solicitor to do this. You can either present your argument orally in court or, if you are not confidence to do that, you can ask he Magistrates to read a written statement explaining your situation. If you do that, take five copies, one for the prosecutor, one each for the three Magistrates and one for their legal advisor. Whichever way you present your argument, you will still have to attend court as the prosecutor or the Magistrates may have questions for you.

So, considering the guidance I have provided, will you or others face any “exceptional hardship”?

Thanks for your response. From what you’ve explained I don’t think we can argue exceptional hardship.