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Re: x2 PCN from G24 Ltd. Unauthorized parking
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#17
Obscure the password.

As it says, you have to file a defence or Acknowledgement of Service by 18 May.
If the latter, you have until 1 June to file a defence.

Your defence is that you, as the registered keeper, can not be liable because G24 issued the original PCN too late to transfer liability to you from the unknown driver, under the provisions of PoFA 2012.

Obviously you need to elaborate on that a bit, by quoting the appropriate legislation and the key dates which demonstrate lack of compliance.

Don’t forget that G24 said
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The notice to keeper has been issued within the relevant time frames outside of the Protection of Freedoms Act.

Search the forum for many, many documented similar cases, and you will see that DCB Legal usually discontinue defended cases, but you have to keep up with the paperwork until they do, including filing a defence.
Last Edit: April 30, 2026, 07:01:19 pm by jfollows
Re: x2 PCN from G24 Ltd. Unauthorized parking
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#19
Obscure the password.

As it says, you have to file a defence or Acknowledgement of Service by 18 May.
If the latter, you have until 1 June to file a defence.

Your defence is that you, as the registered keeper, can not be liable because G24 issued the original PCN too late to transfer liability to you from the unknown driver, under the provisions of PoFA 2012.

Obviously you need to elaborate on that a bit, by quoting the appropriate legislation and the key dates which demonstrate lack of compliance.

Don’t forget that G24 said
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The notice to keeper has been issued within the relevant time frames outside of the Protection of Freedoms Act.

Search the forum for many, many documented similar cases, and you will see that DCB Legal usually discontinue defended cases, but you have to keep up with the paperwork until they do, including filing a defence.

The notice to keeper has been issued within the relevant time frames outside of the Protection of Freedoms Act.

what does that mean from keepers point of view
Re: x2 PCN from G24 Ltd. Unauthorized parking
Reply #19 on:
#20
Presumably it means that the NtK was issued within 6 years of the event, which is the time limit for claims under contract law. So what? It’s just stupid waffle trying to make it look as if they’re right (and you’re wrong).

But the key point is that G24 admit in writing that PoFA 2012 isn’t being used. So if the driver isn’t identified, the registered keeper isn’t liable.

They may continue with rubbish about pursuing the keeper under the “reasonable probability” that the keeper was the driver, but they can pursue all they like, there is no legal means of transferring liability.

So you just continue in this vein and follow the process to a court claim etc. which you will have read up on by now by searching the forum.

If you post your proposed defence here you will get helpful comments I’m sure.
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Re: x2 PCN from G24 Ltd. Unauthorized parking
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#21
Thank you. I found a similar case and used that to reply to them. Received attached this morning.

Having reviewed the content of your defence, we write to inform you that our client intends to proceed with the claim.

In due course, the Court will direct both parties to each file a directions questionnaire. In preparation for that, please find attached a copy of the Claimant's, which we confirm has been filed with the Court.

Without Prejudice to the above, in order to assist the Court in achieving its overriding objective, our client may be prepared to settle this case - in the event you wish to discuss settlement, please call us on 0203 434 0433 within 7 days and make immediate reference to this correspondence.

If you have provided an email address within your Defence, we intend to use it for service of documents (usually in PDF format) hereon in pursuant to PD 6A (4.1)(2)(c). Please advise whether there are any limitations to this (for example, the format in which documents are to be sent and the maximum size of attachments that may be received). Unless you advise otherwise, we will assume not

No option to attach pdf lol. Will upload screenshots via laptop shortly
Re: x2 PCN from G24 Ltd. Unauthorized parking
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#25
Search the forum for N180 and you will find
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Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and (email of solicitor) and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
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Re: x2 PCN from G24 Ltd. Unauthorized parking
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When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and (email of solicitor) and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.


Thank you jfollows. Can i just check who would "(email of solicitor)" be as i dont have one?

also, when i paste this in the pdf,

"I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question.."


cant fit "the only true witness to events in question.." in the box.
would that be an issue


gpt trimmed it down to this:
I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Since the Claimant is a firm that earns income by handling cut-and-paste parking case paperwork, hearing this case solely on paper would give them an unfair advantage. They would likely prefer the Defendant not to expose flaws in their template submissions or speak as the only true witness to the events.


will that work. Please advise. thank you
Last Edit: June 17, 2026, 09:36:17 am by thegame99
Re: x2 PCN from G24 Ltd. Unauthorized parking
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#27
Solicitor is DCB Legal as in the people acting for the claimant.

If you search the forum for
N180 font
as I just did:
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That wording definitely fits if you use Helvetica (or similar) 9pt font. I have used it many times with no issue. If you are trying to use the form's built in text box... don't! Just overlay a text box and use the font size I advise.
Otherwise do as you say. The point is to get a hearing in person at your local court.

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Can you post up the defence which you submitted for continuity purposes?
Last Edit: June 17, 2026, 11:19:55 am by jfollows
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Re: x2 PCN from G24 Ltd. Unauthorized parking
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Can you post up the defence which you submitted for continuity purposes?

This?

Morning. This is what i posted on mcol


How much of the claim do you dispute?
I dispute the full amount claimed as shown on the claim form.
 
Do you dispute this claim because you have already paid it?
No, for other reasons.
 
Defence
1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant
asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no
debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately
disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim
(PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made
against the Defendant such that the PoC do not adequately comply
with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the
PoC in accordance with PD 16, para 7.3(1);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or
clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or
contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why
the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or
contracts);

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly
where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach
occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked
before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is
calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest,
damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the
parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is
sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant
cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant submits that courts have previously struck out
materially similar claims of their own initiative for failure to
adequately comply with CPR 16.4, particularly where the
Particulars of Claim failed to specify the contractual terms
relied upon or explain the alleged breach with sufficient clarity.

5. In comparable cases involving modest sums, judges have found
that requiring further case management steps would be
disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective.
Accordingly, strike-out was deemed appropriate. The Defendant
submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites
the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim
due to the Claimant’s failure to adequately comply with CPR 16.4,
rather than permitting an amendment. The Defendant proposes that
the following Order be made:

Draft Order:

Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the particulars of
claim and the defence.

AND the court being of the view that the particulars of claim do
not adequately comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) because: (a) they do
not set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the
terms and conditions of the contract which is (or are) relied on;
and (b) they do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons)
why the claimant asserts that the defendant was in breach of
contract.

AND the claimant could have complied with CPR 16.4(1)(a) had it
served separate detailed particulars of claim, as it could have
done pursuant to PD 7C, para 5.2, but chose not to do so.

AND upon the Court determining, having regard to the overriding
objective (CPR 1.1), that it would be disproportionate to direct
further pleadings or to allot any further share of the Court’s
resources to this claim (for example by ordering further
particulars of claim and a further defence, with consequent case
management).

ORDER:

1. The claim is struck out.

2. Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or stay
this order by application on notice, which must be filed at this
Court not more than 7 days after service of this order, failing
which no such application may be made.