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PCN - Heathrow Drop-Off
« on: June 15, 2023, 11:24:02 am »
Apologies if I am restarting an old topic from the old pepipoo forum, I went looking there for the message I could send but I noticed the forum went down.

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I dropped a relative off at Heathrow, and didn't pay within 48 hours. I paid a few days later. I called them to make sure payment was ok given I paid late, but to no avail and PCN was still issued even if I had already paid. I don't think I disclosed any ID, and in fact I am not the registered keeper of the car, to whom the PCN was addressed!

What should be my line of defense?

many thanks for your service.

edit: i know in the old forums there were templates to copy/paste for appeal, but i couldnt find them here.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2023, 11:28:05 am by abrz1471 »

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Re: PCN - Heathrow Drop-Off
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2023, 11:35:22 am »
I suspect this is a private Parking Charge Notice from Apcoa -
https://heathrowdropoffpcnpayments.apcoa.com/pcnonline/index.php
 - I'll ask a mod to move.
Meanwhile, post up the PCN.

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Re: PCN - Heathrow Drop-Off
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2023, 11:52:08 am »
please find attached. thanks.

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Re: PCN - Heathrow Drop-Off
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2023, 04:43:49 pm »
If you haven't given away the identity of the driver with stuff like "I drove..." etc. then just appeal telling them that as their PCN is not PoFA compliant and you are appealing as the registered keeper, they should go and find the driver or else just give you your POPLA code where they will lose.

Expect a response basically saying that you have been a very naughty motorist but as they are benevolent, they will cancel the PCN this time as a gesture of goodwill and not to abuse their rules in the future.

If you have blabbed the driver's identity then just weather the inevitable storm of useless debt collector letters and eventually, APCOA will decide to cut their losses and chase someone more gullible to pay up. APCOA aren't litigious.
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Re: PCN - Heathrow Drop-Off
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2023, 04:56:51 pm »
Thanks, b789

This was going to be my response

"This Parking Charge Notice ("PCN") was issued to me as the registered keeper of the vehicle, and I am appealing as such. Heathrow Airport (including the drop-off zone) is not “relevant land” for the purposes of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (as it is covered by airport bye-laws), so the operator cannot transfer liability to the keeper. Furthermore, even if (which is not the case) the drop off zone is relevant land, the PCN does not comply with the requirements of the POFA, Schedule 4, paragraph 9. As there is no legal requirement for the registered keeper to identify the driver, I will not be doing so.

APCOA cannot hold a registered keeper liable. As a matter of fact and law, APCOA (as a longstanding BPA Parking operator) will be well aware that they cannot use the POFA provisions because this is not 'relevant land'. If the Airport wanted to hold owners or keepers liable under Airport Byelaws, that would be within the landowner's gift and another matter entirely, but not only is that not pleaded, it is also not legally possible because APCOA is not the Airport owner and your 'parking charge' is not and never attempts to be a penalty. It is created for APCOA’s own profit (as opposed to a byelaws penalty that goes to the public purse) and APCOA has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only. The registered keeper was not that driver and cannot be presumed to have been, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency.

Additionally, a £5 payment covering the service was already made prior to the date of issue of this notice, further highlighting how much of a waste of time this exercise is"


Feel free to add/delete as necessary. I'm unsure about the last sentence. I had paid after the 48 hours but before the issue of notice, not sure if it's relevant or not.

thanks.


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Re: PCN - Heathrow Drop-Off
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2023, 05:02:38 pm »
I wouldn't bother with the last sentence about having paid already as they are quite intellectually malnourished at these PPCs and no point confusing them. You've paid their scam fee and that's it.

The rest is fine (one of mine from MSE forums).
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Re: PCN - Heathrow Drop-Off
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2023, 08:00:40 am »
Not familiar with this forum, but if there is an edit function, you should edit your first post, you as keeper have and will deal with the notice, ‘the driver’ with no I, we, he or even the dog drove that day.  Otherwise if the driver is identified they can reject the appeal.
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Re: PCN - Heathrow Drop-Off
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2023, 03:36:55 am »
back to confirm that the appeal worked.

b789.... thank you!

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Re: PCN - Heathrow Drop-Off
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2023, 07:34:10 am »
Good result, well done!

For future reference when posting on here, and appealing to parking companies, then as The Rookie says above, be careful not to say who was driving. The appeal you used relies on the parking company not knowing who was driving (and some of them have been known to browse these sort of forums on occasion)