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Re: PCN from I Park, Mere Green (Sutton Coldfield)
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2025, 07:03:22 pm »
I have the same issue you had at this same parking location. I was literally in there for less than 3 mins at night and they issue me with a parking charge. I have already appealed on their website and waiting for the standard response. The pictures seem to suggest I left the car but it was actually my wife that left the car while I remained in the driving seat with the engine on while she checked the parking fees before we decided to go elsewhere after our dinner reservation at the restaurant adjacent to it was cancelled. How can they charge one for a 2 mon period?
As with mine, read https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/ and follow what it says.  It might be similar to mine, or it might differ in small but crucial details, something you or I might overlook but that the keener eyes might pick up.

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Re: PCN from I Park, Mere Green (Sutton Coldfield)
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2025, 09:27:22 am »
How can they charge one for a 2 mon period?

they can't but that doesn't stop the ex-clampers from trying it on. There are enough low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree out there that it makes them a tidy profit.

Please start your won thread if you want advice on how to deal with these scammers.

READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide
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Re: PCN from I Park, Mere Green (Sutton Coldfield)
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2025, 06:01:38 pm »
Dear XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX,

We write in response to your correspondence received in our office dated 19/12/2024.

We now respond to the same as follows.

The Notice to Keeper was issued to you on 17/04/2024. A copy is enclosed. You were afforded the opportunity to; appeal the parking charge, transfer liability to the driver (if it was not you) or make payment. Neither a successful appeal, nor an adequate nomination were received, yet payment remains outstanding The Vehicle entered Mere Green Pay and Display, Sutton Coldfield, B74 4BH on the 13/04/2024, No valid pay and display or prepay arrangement. The parking charge was issued correctly. The parking charge was issued due to breach of contract and not for loss or damages. See enclosed Appeal and response, Vehicle Images, Landowner Agreement, Signs and Site Plan

The Reminder Notices were issued to you on the 17/05/2024 and 15/07/2024. Copies are enclosed. These notice's reiterated that payment was outstanding and confirmed that legal action may be taken and additional costs incurred if the parking charge was not paid.

The HMRC ‘VAT Supply and Consideration manual’ (VATSC06140), which was last updated on 02 September 2020, confirmed that parking charge notices falls out of the scope of VAT.

You now have 30 days from the date of this email to make a payment of £160.00. Failure to make payment will result in a Claim being issued against you without any further reference.

Payment can be made via bank transfer to our designated client account: -

    Account Name: DCB Legal Ltd Client Account 

    Sort Code: 20-24-09 

    Account Number: 60964441


You must quote the correct case reference (XXXXXXXXXXXX) when making payment. If you do not, we may be unable to correctly allocate the payment. If further action is taken by us as a result of an incorrect reference being quoted, you will be liable for any further fees or costs incurred.

Alternatively, you can contact DCB Legal Ltd on 0203 838 7038 to make payment over the telephone or online at https://dcblegal.co.uk/response/pay-online/.

Kind Regards,

Lorraine Boardman

Administration Associate

DCB Legal Ltd

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Re: PCN from I Park, Mere Green (Sutton Coldfield)
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2025, 07:58:34 pm »
You can report them to HMRC for VAT fraud. Takes a few minutes online. Otherwise, you’re now waiting for the inevitable claim. Show us when it arrives and we will advise on how to deal with.

As already explained, this will end in a discontinuation if you follow the advice.
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Re: PCN from I Park, Mere Green (Sutton Coldfield)
« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2025, 08:50:08 pm »
Here's the claim.

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Re: PCN from I Park, Mere Green (Sutton Coldfield)
« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2025, 12:06:30 am »
W only need to see the N1SDT claim form with the Particulars of Claim (PoC). You can delete all the other forms as you will not be using them. However, for some reason you have redacted the issue date of the claim.

What is the issue date?
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Re: PCN from I Park, Mere Green (Sutton Coldfield)
« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2025, 09:26:40 am »
What is the issue date?
21st Feb 2025.

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Re: PCN from I Park, Mere Green (Sutton Coldfield)
« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2025, 01:45:50 pm »
With an issue date of 21st February, you have until 4pm on Wednesday 12th March to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Wednesday 26th March to submit your defence.

If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Otherwise, here is the defence and link to the draft order that goes with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you combine both documents as a single PDF attachment and send as an attachment in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of I Park Services Ltd v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

I Park Services Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order approved by a district judge at another court. The court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4. The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:

(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Adequately explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather
than permitting an amendment.

5. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence
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Re: PCN from I Park, Mere Green (Sutton Coldfield)
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2025, 06:31:38 am »
Specifically by email, rather than (as per the instructions in the claim) through their moneyclaim.gov.uk website?

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Re: PCN from I Park, Mere Green (Sutton Coldfield)
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2025, 07:26:38 am »
Yes, by email only. DO NOT ise the MCOL we form as that has a character limitation had loses all formatting.

Please follow our advice for submitting the defence.
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Re: PCN from I Park, Mere Green (Sutton Coldfield)
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2025, 09:27:39 am »
Got it.
Sent.

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Re: PCN from I Park, Mere Green (Sutton Coldfield)
« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2025, 07:43:51 pm »
You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it.
I did that, but I have had a response: "We have processed your response. Please note however, it was not signed and because of this it may not be considered as a valid document if the case goes to a court hearing."

I have double-checked, and it definitely has my name (my full name, as it appears on my driving licence and passport) next to the word "Signed", thus:
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Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed: my name here

Date: 28th February 2025

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Re: PCN from I Park, Mere Green (Sutton Coldfield)
« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2025, 07:53:51 pm »
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I have had a response
From whom? The court?

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Re: PCN from I Park, Mere Green (Sutton Coldfield)
« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2025, 08:53:05 pm »
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I have had a response
From whom? The court?
From ClaimResponses.CNBC, yes.

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Re: PCN from I Park, Mere Green (Sutton Coldfield)
« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2025, 11:05:46 pm »
Send it again and also take a screen shot of the document with the typed signature and refer them CPR 5.3...

The relevant Civil Procedure Rule (CPR) that allows a statement of truth or court document to be signed by typing the person's name is CPR 5.3.

CPR 5.3 – Signature of Documents

“Where any of these Rules or any practice direction requires a document to be signed, that requirement shall be satisfied if the signature is printed by computer or other mechanical means.”

This means that typing a name, rather than providing a handwritten signature, is sufficient for compliance with the requirement to sign a document under the CPR, including a Statement of Truth.
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