Author Topic: NPC Parking Charge Notice- No NPC e-permit, Greenwich Millennium Village, SE100X  (Read 271 times)

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Velina

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! I received Parking Charge Notice to registered keeper from NPC group limited, posted on 02.07.24. I'm attaching a picture of it.
The ground is that All vehicles must hold a valid NPC e-permit. Apparently the driver didn't get one.
The driver parked the car there as he did Amazon deliveries. For this the driver always leaves a notice on the dashboard saying Amazon delivery. And this is slightly seen even from their pictures. The driver has been on this location before and never received a ticket. The driver also stayed there for very short time. The driver can proof he was there for delivery purposes as well. The driver also didn't get a ticket at the location.
There is no barrier on this location, neither machines to get a ticket or permit. There is no information at all where the drivers can get a permit neither.
The location in the letter doesn't show the exact location. This is one of those new neighbourhoods in London and even if you write the post code in Google Maps, it won't shows you exact street. Also checking the signs in Google maps is not reliable in this case because the signs in Google maps are old. The driver went to the location again and took a photo of the signs, as photo of them wasn't provided in the Parking Charge Notice.

As this is part of the delivery job, and the time spent at any location is usually very short, I think there is no need to get permit as he is going to loose more time looking fof how he can get one and then applying for it, rather just drop the parcel and leave, however this is my opinion. Usually on those types of locations there is 20 minutes free period exactly for those type of jobs. Or visitor bays, or huge clear messages where you can get a permit from. Where should the driver can park when there is clear signs no parking on the yellow lines, according to the driver.

As a registered keeper I received Parking Charge Notice which I appealed, and my appeal was rejected.

I will write down the grounds in my appeal (I copied them before I sent the appeal as I don't have access to them after that).
"The Notice of the Keeper is invalid for the following reasons:
There is no information in the letter saying it is issued under PoFA 2012.
There is no information for how long the vehicle was parked.
There is no information if the pictures are collected by CCTV or parking attendant.
The location is not accurate as it doesn't include the exact name and number of the street. Only the name and the post code of the neighbourhood, which is quite big.
No proper observation can be done in 53 seconds (according to the letter).
In addition to this:
No pictures of the front of the car has been taken where it was displayed notice for Amazon delivery.
No picture of the exact current parking terms is provided in evidences as well.
You breach the GDPR by including the other vehicle registration number in one of the evidence pictures of my case." At the end I asked ticket to be cancelled.

I will upload a pdf file of the rejection.
Screenshot of the location according to Google maps when I write the post code provided in the letter

Now I only can appeal to IAS but I'm not sure I can do it well.

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You are dealing with a firm of ex-clamper thugs who are members of the ICP. No matter what you put in your appeal would have been rejected. Nothing new there.

Personally, I don't advocate appealing to the IAS as it is a kangaroo court and you have almost zero chance of winning an appeal there either. Others may disagree.

You are now in a state of limbo. Should NPC try and take this all the way to court, you have a very good defence in Jopson v Homeguard [2016] which is a persuasive appeal case where the judge defined that stopping for a short period to load or unload is not parking.

The images show that they were taken by an operative, not ANPR. The sign appears to be hidden behind a tee or a bush. There are flaws in the NtK that breach the new joint Code of Practice (CoP) that can be used against them too.

If you feel that you want to waste your time on an IAS appeal, you should use the new joint CoP to see where they have breached their own rules, especially the 21 day restriction on appealing to the IAS.

Once that is rejected, you will receive a load of debt collector letters which you can safely ignore. They are powerless to do anything, no matter what they say. We don't need to see them.

At some point, they may/will issue a letter of claim and then a claim itself. That is good because then you can have a truly independent arbiter, a judge, decide whether the keeper owes NPC a debt or not.
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Thank you for your response.
The driver is not very happy to pay even the reduced penalty as this will mean that he worked for free that day.(Amazon slots are not very well paid.)
When I read their rejection, I thought the same that IAS is with them rather neutral and appeal would be most likely rejected again. That's why I decided to ask for help.
Signs are quite clear presented but not very clear as information. The driver also can show screenshot of his phone that he was there to do a job not to park for long time. Also the purpose it the paper on the dashboard saying Amazon Delivery is exactly to notify people (parking attendants, residents, ect.) that this vehicle is left there for very short time. In this case the operative even didn't go next to the car, if it was operative. I put it in my grounds but there was no comment on this either. Basically their rejection letter repeats the Parking Charge Notice, no real response.
I don't mind not to appeal with IAS, or to ignore the following debt collectors letters, as soon as in case of things taken to the court, this ignorance would not be against me.



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« Last Edit: July 12, 2024, 06:06:32 pm by Velina »

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Am in the same boat as you Velina i got same ticket at same place and also doing amazon delivery and am ready to go to court now really amd ready to give what ever it takes what did you do in the end with regards to the ticket?

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They're fairly likely to still be waiting In limbo to see if the parking company litigate.

For advice on your case please start a separate thread.