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I can see a surefire win on this one. AS RK I got Parking Charge Notice from PE for..hang on, reading it again, no contravention has been mentioned.. paring in the Lidl Car Park in Ashford.

Not really a vague location <ahem> as there's 2 Ashfords each of which apparently has a Lidl shop. One in Kent, the other in Surrey, near Heathrow. WhenI get a spare 10 minutes I'll post both sides of the PCN.
Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.

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Yep, we'll need to see the documents.

A good first step in the meantime, assuming the driver was a customer, is to speak to the management of Lidl - anecdotally supermarkets are often fairly good at cancelling PCNs for genuine customers.

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Tried that this evening, manager couldn't give a flip of a pancake. "Nothing to do with us, we don't run the car park, we get a bow locking if we phone the parking company". I told him that if the matter isn't dropped I'd be shopping at ldi where you don't have to tap out for the car park and the trolleys don't need a £ or a bent washer to release them.
Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.

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If it’s a PE NtK, the contravention is hidden in the first few paragraphs on the back.

The issue with the location is that it has to be defined and unambiguous. Is the location Lidl, Ashford TW15 3DX or is it Lidl, Ashford TN24 8TN?

A while ago I put together POPLA appeal which was successful for a PE PCN for Lidl, St Neots. Unfortunately for PE, there are two Lidl’s in St Neots, although only one had a PE contract. Didn’t matter. Failure to specify the relevant land is a PoFA failure and the Keeper cannot be liable.

Here is a link to the POPLA appeal which was successful. If your plan B appeal to PE is unsuccessful, you can adapt it quite easily to your case:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/f7kkc340y7p22p7my0vir/POPLAappeal-copy.pdf?rlkey=v7c6aqqevtl4mm34t2jpar937&st=ym5cezzv&dl=0

Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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This is one of those that should be straightforward at POPLA, but I would caveat that they have come out with some weird decisions on vague land descriptions of late.

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It just says Lidl Ashford, no other location or postcode! You can't get more vague than that.
Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.

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Indeed, although we had a case on here a while ago where a POPLA assessor decided "St Michael's Court" (no other information at all) was sufficient, baffling  ::)

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I think you’ll find that POPLA decisions taken towards the end of the month get more varied as their “quota” of successful appeals drains away. They do have to justify their cost to their paymasters.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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I've managed to get the scanner working and have scanned the document both sides. Can someone remind me of what to redact on private parking letters. Sorry, I've been a bit busy helping 200 others in a big redundancy claim!
Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.

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Only redact personal details, PCN number and VRM.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Having tried without success to post images in imgbb with no luck, I can't even get it to open a new account for me, Im trying with the next site down the list.  I really am lost with this. Can I email these to someone on here and get them to kindly post them for me? I get to my wits end with all these different websites that are far from easy for someone of my age to deal with.

I've just got a reminder letter in the post  from Parking Eye!
Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.

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Just use imgur.com. No need to register. Click on the "New post" near the top left. As soon as your image is uploaded, if you hover your mouse over the "copy link" in the top right corner of the image and then click on the three dots, then select "Get share links" and then click on the third "copy link" option (BBCode Forums), you can then simply paste into your post and that will display the image in the forum.

Most of us here are retired old fogeys, so your excuse is not accepted!  ::)
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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https://imgur.com/a/UmJmqyK  Try this one.https://imgur.com/a/ILCxHCV

Ha, that was a bit easier than the other sites i was trying!! Thanks.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2024, 12:45:44 pm by roythebus »
Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.

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OK. So, have you appealed to ParkingEye yet? You won't get a POPLA code until PE have rejected your initial appeal.

Here is an initial appeal for an almost identical appeal to PE for the same reasons, more than one possible location for the referenced location:

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Reference: Parking Charge Notice – XXXXXX/XXXXXX

Dear Sir/Madam,

Thank you for your recent correspondence dated XX/XXX/XXXX in relation to the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) referenced above. As the registered keeper of the vehicle, I feel it is necessary to point out several critical errors and omissions in your Notice to Keeper (NtK) that demonstrate a clear lack of understanding of your obligations under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA). I will address these failings in detail below.

1. Failure to Specify the Relevant Land PoFA 9(2)(a)

Your NtK fails to meet the requirements of paragraph 9(2)(a) of PoFA, which obliges you to specify the "relevant land" where the vehicle was parked. Your vague reference to "Lidl Ashford" does not clearly identify the location of the alleged contravention.

You should be aware, there are two "Ashfords" with Lidl stores:

• Lidl, 25 New St, Ashford TN24 8TN
and
• Lidl, Stanwell Rd, Shepperton, Stanwell, Ashford TW15 3DX

Without clearly specifying which of these locations is the "relevant land," your NtK fails to meet the standard required by PoFA, leaving the keeper in doubt as to where the alleged breach occurred. This ambiguity further invalidates your claim to transfer liability to me as the registered keeper.

2. Lack of a Proper Invitation to the Keeper PoFA 9(2)(e)(i)

In addition to your failure to comply with PoFA 9(2)(a) above, your NtK does not comply with paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of PoFA, which requires the NtK to “invite" the keeper to either pay the unpaid parking charge or, if they were not the driver, to provide the name and address of the driver. While your NtK mentions a request for the driver’s details, it fails to properly “invite”, or any synonym of the word, me, as the keeper, to pay the charge. This failure to issue a proper invitation further undermines your ability to hold me liable under PoFA.

3. No Obligation to Identify the Driver

As the registered keeper, I am under no legal obligation to identify the driver, and I decline to do so. You are entitled to request this information, but you cannot compel me to provide it to you, an unregulated private parking company with zero “authority” to demand anything. As the keeper, I put ParkingEye to strict proof that the person you are pursuing is the driver.

Conclusion

In summary, your NtK is non-compliant with PoFA in several material respects, most notably your failure to specify the relevant land pursuant to 9(2)(a) and invite the keeper to pay the charge pursuant to 9(2)(e)(i). You are therefore unable to transfer liability to me as the registered keeper. I request that you cancel this Parking Charge Notice immediately.

Should you choose to reject this appeal, I will require a POPLA code so that this matter can be escalated for (allegedly) independent review. Be advised that if you proceed with court action despite these obvious legal shortcomings, I will defend the claim robustly and will seek to recover my costs.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Thanks for that, no I haven't sent them anything yet.I'll send this off over the weekend.

I wonder how many mugs just pay up?
Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.