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Re: Parking Control Management - Robert Dashwood Way - SE17
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Sounds good, thanks.
A cases of holding your nerve and resisting the threats.

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Should I submit an appeal, or just wait for court proceedings?

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I know these initial appeals are usually ignored but here's a first draft.

The driver of this vehicle has parked many times here in the past with no problems or PCNs.
This road is poorly lit and, on this occasion, it was dark and raining, as can be seen in your own photographic evidence.
There are none of your signs on the stretch of road bordered by the metal railings where the van was parked. Without the appropriate signs the driver believed there was no parking restriction and with no signs there could be no acceptance of your terms and conditions and therefore this PCN is issued in error.
Additionally, this PCN was not received in the post until Friday 14th February. I will therefore be seeking from you your evidence of actual posting on the date claimed. Also, the Notice to Keeper fails to state the “period of parking”. It is required to state the "period of parking and not simply a moment in time. Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) applies.
I request that you avoid further waste of both our time and cancel the PCN.



Re: Parking Control Management - Robert Dashwood Way - SE17
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You can waste your time and effort appealing to them but don't be surprised when it is rejected. You can also then appeal to the IAS and, again, don't be surprised when that is rejected.

The points that you mention are all valid. However, I can tell you from experience that they will not make a difference until this is challenged in court. They will, eventually issue a claim and that is good, because you will be able to put the points before the only truly independent arbiter, a judge. But then again, as long as a claim is defined with our advice, it will never get as far as a hearing as it is more likely than not going to either be struck out or discontinued.

So, fire away with an appeal if you want. It's your time and effort.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Parking Control Management - Robert Dashwood Way - SE17
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I've got time to waste. Too much according to the wife.
I'm happy to give them some work.

When it gets to the serious bit we will certainly be following your advice to the letter.

Re: Parking Control Management - Robert Dashwood Way - SE17
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The anticipated rejection has arrived. My mate is still prepared to see this through. I've warned him to expect debt collectors letters and court action.

Is there any need to do anything until receiving a letter before action, or court papers?

« Last Edit: April 02, 2025, 10:56:25 am by Glitch »

Re: Parking Control Management - Robert Dashwood Way - SE17
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Correct. Nothing else to do now except to weather the useless debt recovery letters and wait for a Letter of Claim (LoC).

Remind your friend that the debt collectors are powerless to actually do anything except to try and scare the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear. Tell them that they must never, ever enter in communication with a powerless debt collector and that they can safely shred those letters into hamster bedding.

AN LoC should be responded to but it is not compulsory. AN N1SDT Claim Form from the CNBC must be responded to and we would need to see it in order to provide the correct defence.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Re: Parking Control Management - Robert Dashwood Way - SE17
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Just adding this for completeness.
Dated 2nd April Must have come via snail mail.


Re: Parking Control Management - Robert Dashwood Way - SE17
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Still waiting for an LoC. Ignore everything else.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Again for completeness, the first comms from the debt recovery firm.


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Another letter ramping up the pressure. ::)


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Please... we really don't need to know about any debt recovery letters. Simply shred them and use them as hamster bedding or kindling.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Parking Control Management - Robert Dashwood Way - SE17
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Letter Before Claim has been received. Dated 18th September.
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Re: Parking Control Management - Robert Dashwood Way - SE17
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It would be a bit more useful if you gave us a bit more detail, such as which bulk litigation firm have they used to send the LoC?

Assume you know nothing about this matter and the LoC is the very first thing you receive. Is there enough information in that LoC to inform you about the particular contractual term allegedly breached by the driver? Does it include a copy of any Notice to Keeper/Driver/Hirer that was sent? Would you know from this LoC, the date, time, exact location and contractual term allegedly breached by the driver? Does the LoC explain why the original charge of (£100?) has now increased by another £60-£70? Does it explain whether any addition sum added to the alleged contractual amount charged includes VAT? Is any added amount costs or damages? Does it state what standing their client has to operate and issue PCNs in their own name at the location (assuming it is stated)?

The list goes on.

An LoC and any subsequent Particulars of Claim (PoC) must provide enough information for you to be able to understand the claim (assume you know nothing else about it) and to respond to any allegations being made.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Parking Control Management - Robert Dashwood Way - SE17
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Apologies, I didn't realise the significance of the LBA/LOC, or that they are the same thing.

It is from Moorside Legal.
It contains no details of the claim, just mentions PCM as their client, the VRM and refers to an unpaid invoice.