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Help needed with PCN! Sent to court
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Hello,

I will try and keep this as short as possible. I previously posted on pepipoo and have recently seen they have moved here.

I first entered a Euro carpark (ECP) in Manchester at 12.00.39pm on 15/12/2022. I Purchased a 4 hour ticket for £5 and left the carpark at 15.18.

I had recently moved house and received a PCN to my old address which i never received and it escalated to a recovery agent. I contacted ECP to ask for my Data through a GDPR request and received the above times for entering/leaving the carpark with an accompanying letter saying the appeal stage had passed. I have kept the original ticket which I had on display in my car and could not understand why the PCN was issued in the first place. ECP state No valid pay/display permit was purchased - I definitely dispute this.

After finding Pepipoo i was advised to contact ECP again there was a faulty PDT or keying error, unknown at this time, which led to the issuance of charge. This means you were at no loss whatsoever, so please cancel this PCN or follow the BPA CoP as required. I offered to pay a nominal fee top cover any admin charges and settle this matter promptly out of court.

This week I received notice of court proceedings asking for me to choose one of the following

Admit to the charge and pay full amount

Admit to part of the charge claimed

or dispute the whole claim and potentially counterclaim.

My only error in this chain of events is to not update my logbook address. I have made reasonable attempts to settle this to no avail.

I'm at a loss what to do at this point. I don't want to get and judgements against my credit but feel it's an injustice to pay the full £270

Any advice on what to do at this stage would be greatly appreciated. I have 14th days from the day of service (4th August) to respond to these claims.

Thank you in advance and best regards








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Re: Help needed with PCN! Sent to court
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This is not the new Pepipoo, but most people giving advice there are now on here.

Sorry, but you need to post some documents. We need to see the documents related to the bailiff action and subsequently. If this matter is at the High Court it won't be bailiffs coming, but court officers.

So, documents please !

Re: Help needed with PCN! Sent to court
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+1

For guidance on posting documents see
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

post all sides of all documents, redacting only name & address. Leave everything else in.

Re: Help needed with PCN! Sent to court
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This sounds like a private Parking Charge Notice and not a Council Penalty Charge Notice? If so it should be moved to the Private Parking Forum.

Re: Help needed with PCN! Sent to court
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I've asked for it to be moved. OP, you don't need to do anything other than to gather together the docs requested, read the guidance for posting these and wait for your thread to be moved.

ECP - Euro Car Parks
'debt recovery agent' - unofficial stage(until October when the unified Code of Practice kicks-in) in private parking procedure twixt creditor's rejection of representations, if any, and Administration of Justice Act process for resolving contractual disputes.

Re: Help needed with PCN! Sent to court
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You have received an N1SDT claim form from the CNBC. Please show us a suitably redacted copy of it but leaving all dates and time showing.

As the Claimant is ECP, I am going to presume that the solicitor they are using is DCB Legal. This is all good. You are at the ultimate dispute resolution stage. I would place money on this eventually being discontinued, as long as you follow the advice.

For now, please tell us the "issue" date of the claim. Also, here is a link to a file that explains exactly how to acknowledge service of the claim which MUST be done within 19 days of the "issue" date of the claim:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/r7pj2q44de5r7dg97yi83/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?rlkey=9y9gfemyylmprpjfdimw49qpk&st=uamvamxh&dl=0

Do not even think about using the MCOL to file your defence. That will be filed as a PDF attachment to an email.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Help needed with PCN! Sent to court
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Thank you to everyone who has replied. The issue date of the claim is 30/7/2024 and it is DCB legal

I will gather the documents requested and send redacted copies asap


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With a claim issue date of 30th July, you have until 18th August to file the AoS. Once the AoS is filed, you then have until 4pm on Monday 2nd September to file a defence.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Help needed with PCN! Sent to court
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I have added a selection of letters for collection and the all correspondence from ECP and the NS1DT form. The letter from ECP dated 28/7/2023 is the response to my letter offering to pay an admin fee

Sorry about the ordering of the letters the tech stuff is not my forte.











Thank you in advance for any replies
« Last Edit: August 10, 2024, 07:27:08 pm by Hugevehicle123 »

Re: Help needed with PCN! Sent to court
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We do not need to see any of the useless debt collector letters. Please remove them, They are useless bits of paper that you can use an emergency loo paper.

GCTT, ZZPS DRP are all useless debt collectors, DO NOT show us their rubbish.

All we need to see is the First NtK, front and back. No need to show any reminders. We also need the N1SDT claim form, just the first page. We don't need to see all the attached forms which you can bin.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2024, 06:25:49 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Help needed with PCN! Sent to court
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With a claim date of 30th July, you have until 18th August to file your AoS. Please follow the instructions for doing so in this file:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/r7pj2q44de5r7dg97yi83/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?rlkey=9y9gfemyylmprpjfdimw49qpk&st=qlg56ckp&dl=0

Once you have filed the AoS, you then have until 4pm on Monday 2nd September to file your defence which will be done as a PSF attachment to an email. DO NOT try and file your defence using the MCOL website.

Let us know when you have successfully filed your AOS.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Help needed with PCN! Sent to court
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I have removed the unnecessary images and filed my AoS. Any further help will be greatly appreciated

Thank you

Re: Help needed with PCN! Sent to court
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We will advise on the defence soon.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Help needed with PCN! Sent to court
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Hello,

I want to start preparing my defence for the above case. Any advice on the matter would be a great help.

Thank you in advance

Re: Help needed with PCN! Sent to court
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As for the defence, very recently through discussion with a very long serving district judge, it has been recommended that the very long template defence that has been developed and used over the years has lost its effectiveness as judges are familiar with it and tend not to bother reading it as it is considered a boilerplate, “one size fits all” template.

It has been suggested that a “short” defence be submitted with an attached draft order for the allocation judge to force the claimant to submit particulars that fully comply with the CPRs. To date, no roboclaim claimant that has been served with the order has managed to comply with it and the claims have been struck out.

Only the defendants name, the claimants name and the claim reference number need to be edited. The statement of truth can be signed electronically by simply typing your name. Nothing else needs to be added or edited.

The draft order does not require any any editing.

These are the latest versions of the documents as edited this weeks:

Short defence

Draft order for the short defence

The defence and draft order are attached to an email as PDF files. The email subject is simply “Defence for claim [claim number] and the body of the email just states “Please find attached the defence and a draft order for claim [claim number].

The email is sent to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and you CC in yourself. Make sure you receive an auto-acknowledgement email back within a few minutes of sending.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain