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Re: GroupNexus the gym group PCN
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Some breaches of POFA could be argued to be technical in nature - omitting the invitation to the keeper to pay is not.....it's a mandatory element and if it's missing then the NTK is non-compliant and liability cannot be transferred from driver to keeper.
@Brenda_R2 unless you can quote an authority or binding precedent on this point, then that is still an opinion. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but I'm saying we can't describe it as if it is established fact.
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Re: GroupNexus the gym group PCN
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Anyone?

Re: GroupNexus the gym group PCN
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I am the registered keeper.

As your notice is not PoFA compliant I will not be accepting any liability for the outstanding parking charges.

The driver is not known to you and I will not be providing any driver details.

Your options are;

Cancel the notice

OR

Waste further money by providing a POPLA code.


Many thanks,

xxxxxx xxxxxxxx

Re: GroupNexus the gym group PCN
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Some breaches of POFA could be argued to be technical in nature - omitting the invitation to the keeper to pay is not.....it's a mandatory element and if it's missing then the NTK is non-compliant and liability cannot be transferred from driver to keeper.
@Brenda_R2 unless you can quote an authority or binding precedent on this point, then that is still an opinion. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but I'm saying we can't describe it as if it is established fact.

Apologies.

You’re absolutely right that there’s no binding appellate precedent on this specific POFA omission, and I’m not suggesting otherwise. My point is simply that POFA Schedule 4 sets out mandatory requirements, and paragraph 9(2)(e) is one of them.

If a Notice to Keeper doesn’t include a mandatory element, then by definition it doesn’t comply with POFA, and keeper liability cannot arise. That isn’t a controversial interpretation — it’s the standard way statutory “must include” provisions are read.

So I’m not claiming an established precedent, just applying the statute as written. I’m happy to phrase it as:

“In the absence of 9(2)(e), the NTK does not meet the statutory requirements of POFA, and therefore cannot create keeper liability — although there is no binding authority specifically on this omission.”

Re: GroupNexus the gym group PCN
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I find the wording of Schedule 4 to be 'legally tight' - meaning that it is 100% mechanically objective in nature and therefore, subjectivity cannot be introduced in the normal course of events.

Of course, what could happen, theoretically, is a parking operator may issue an NtK which provides a significant variation in the mandatory wording but still transmits the required information.

Then some subjectivity could creep in.

This is why legal experts advise businesses NOT to vary from prescribed wording when setting out terms and conditions etc.

If you stray too far from mandatory wording then you risk leaving yourself exposed to the accusation of non compliance.

In the case of PoFA, the schedule uses the word "MUST" - this is a legally recognised word meaning 100% compliance and therefore there is little to no chance of a parking operator ever bringing a court case which would turn on the interpretation of "MUST".

Some statutes use the word "SHOULD" as apposed to "MUST" and this does cause legal wrangling as it is accepted that "SHOULD" does not require absolute compliance.
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Re: GroupNexus the gym group PCN
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I'm mindful of this not becoming a broader discussion that ceases to become helpful to the OP.

The broad point I was seeking to make is that, in the absence of any precedent, all members must be careful to avoid using wording that suggests, either explicitly or by omission "this argument will work".

@Brenda_R2 & @InterCity125 may have different experiences to me, as the court hearings they have attended (whether as a defendant or otherwise) will have been in front of different judges than mine. I have found that different judges often take very different views on "technical" arguments.

As long as OPs are aware (and accordingly, those offering advice ensure posters are made aware) that some arguments are more well-trodden than others, and none are devoid of risk, that's fine.
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Re: GroupNexus the gym group PCN
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Sorry for asking again but in the initial appeal can I use both the non compliance with poFa argument AND also state the driver is a gym member and attach proof of gym visit?

(To add, last night the error was made again, forgot to put reg in whilst visiting gym! So expecting another letter soon)

What's the best advice really?



Re: GroupNexus the gym group PCN
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What's the best advice really?

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Re: GroupNexus the gym group PCN
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Thanks, any opinion on:
in the initial appeal can I use BOTH the non compliance with poFa argument AND also state the driver is a gym member and attach proof of gym visit?

Re: GroupNexus the gym group PCN
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Just copy and paste Intercity125s post.  Don't add to it, don't remove anything from it.

To manage your expectations, you should expect your appeal to fail.  That isn't a reflection on the wording of the appeal but the way of the world; if parking companies upheld valid appeals their revenue stream would dry up.

Re: GroupNexus the gym group PCN
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Thanks, any opinion on:
in the initial appeal can I use BOTH the non compliance with poFa argument AND also state the driver is a gym member and attach proof of gym visit?

The reason to suggest a single appeal point is to ensure that the operator (and then POPLA) have to address the non PoFA issue.

If you pad the appeal out you present the operator with the opportunity to skip past the awkward legal points and focus on the subjective issues.

Re: GroupNexus the gym group PCN
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Ok, if I am expecting the appeal to fail, can I not just ignore this totally?
Any consequences if I just don't respond?

Re: GroupNexus the gym group PCN
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It will reflect better on the keeper if they are seen to engage with the operator.

This is a very well worn path.

The parking operators have their methods which takes advantage of the fact that they know how the legal system works and, as such, they know how to 'play things' - we fight fire with fire in that respect by following the well worn path in terms of how handle things.

Re: GroupNexus the gym group PCN
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As above, essentially. Disputes over alleged debts can eventually end up in court. You can just ignore things until they end up in court and fight the matter there but there are a few good reasons to engage at each stage:

  • You might win: whilst there's a good chance your appeals will fail, you might succeed. If you don't appeal, they'll definitely fail.
  • You show you're up for a fight: parking companies don't take 100% of cases to court. There's always a chance that by showing you're not an easy target they give up.
  • You show you've been reasonable: courts expect litigation to be seen as a last resort, and to that end, expect parties involved in a dispute to take steps to resolve the matter amicably, only going to court if that fails. By engaging now, you can show that you have behaved reasonably
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Re: GroupNexus the gym group PCN
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Ok, many thanks for explaining, sorrt for all the qs!
on the appeal website, do I choose as a reason 'i had permission to park at the site' or 'other'