Author Topic: Excel Parking PCN - Took longer than 5 minutes to pay - Feethams Leise Car Park, Darlington  (Read 1711 times)

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All normal.

Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
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• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

I’ve had a bit of a nightmare, hadn’t heard anything but just had a SMS reminder about mediation TOMORROW!

I’ve just found the email in my junk copied below, please could I have some advise?

Email below:

Claim number:XXXXX

Parties: EXCEL PARKING SERVICES LIMITED V XXXXX

Your telephone mediation appointment

Appointment date: 03/04/2025

Appointment time slot: 09:30 to 12:30

Your confidential telephone mediation appointment has been booked for the above date and time slot. This means that the mediator will call you between the times shown. Your appointment will last for around one hour from the point at which the mediator calls.

The mediator will call both parties separately – you will not talk directly to the other side. They will try to help you both come to an agreement before the case goes to court.

Where your mediation appointment is mandatory, If you do not attend the appointment, the judge will take this into consideration at any court hearing and may issue a penalty. This could include the judge automatically ruling in the other party’s favour or ordering you to pay for some or all the other party’s costs.


Preparing for your appointment

You must make sure you have provided us with, or confirmed, the name and number of the person who will be conducting the mediation appointment. If you have not done this, or need to update your telephone number, you should contact us using the details at the end of this letter no less than 5 working days before your mediation appointment. Failure to do so may result in your mediation appointment not taking place and may result in a Judge issuing a penalty where the mediation was mandatory.

The mediator will call from a withheld number. Make sure that withheld numbers are not blocked on your phone.

Be ready to receive a call from the mediator from the beginning of your time slot. The mediator will call the telephone number you provided in your application.

If the mediator cannot contact you within 10 minutes of the appointment start, the appointment will be cancelled and you may, where mediation is mandatory, face a penalty for non-attendance.


Rebooking your appointment

If you need to rebook your appointment, you must have a good reason. The administration team will only consider rebooking in exceptional circumstances, such as an accident or a family bereavement. You must let us know as soon as possible.


Nominating a different representative

If you want someone else to represent you at mediation (like a trusted friend, relative or a solicitor) you must contact the mediation team

If you want to choose someone to attend your mediation appointment on your behalf who is not a part of the claim or is not a legal representative, you will also need to complete a delegated authority form. You can find out more about this on GOV.UK.

Your representative must know the facts of the case, understand how far you’re willing to compromise and have full authority to act on your behalf. You’re legally bound to any settlement agreements your representative makes on your behalf.


What happens in your mediation appointment?

Introduction from the mediator

The mediator will introduce themselves and check that you have read and understood the mediation process.

Explaining your position

You will need to briefly explain your claim or defence to the mediator. You should prepare for yourself a brief summary of the main points.

Negotiating options 

You’re attending mediation with a view to settling your case. This means negotiating to overcome disputed issues. The mediator is neutral and helps each party to explore options and discuss risks. Mediation works when you’re willing to listen to what the other party has to say, negotiate and agree a settlement.

Building agreement

Settlement can be in many different forms, for example, payment, goods or work. Both parties must agree on the outcome and feel they have reached an acceptable resolution.

Reaching a settlement

The mediator will read the terms of the settlement and confirm agreement with each party. Once agreed, the settlement is legally binding and cannot be changed. A copy of the mediation settlement is sent to both parties and placed on the court file.


Confidentiality

All mediation appointments are confidential. An agreed settlement includes a standard confidentiality clause.


Ending the mediation process

The mediator can end the mediation if, at any time:

either party breaches the terms on which they agreed to mediation
there is no prospect that the mediation will end in settlement
the mediator deems it inappropriate to continue in the case that one or both parties are vulnerable users
either party asks to end mediation

Find out more about Small Claims Mediation by watching our video HERE. Find out more in the guide to the Small Claims Mediation Service on GOV.UK.


Small Claims Mediation Service contact details

If you have any complaints or issues to raise about the Mediation Service, contact us by email or telephone:

Email:  scmreferrals@justice.gov.uk

Telephone: 0300 123 4593

Monday to Friday, 9am to 5pm

We record our calls for monitoring and training as it helps improve the service we deliver. If you want to know more about how we handle your personal data, visit https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/your-data-and-how-we-use-it


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Stop panicking. The mediation call is not part of the judicial process. No judge or solicitor is involved. Your only requirement is ti "attend" the call.

You offer £0 and it is all over in minutes. Complete waste of everyone's time. Do not let the mediator try and persuade you to do anything and if they do, tell them that unless they have formal legal training (they don't), they should not be advising and you will be making a formal complaint about their conduct.

If no agreement is reached in mediation, it doesn't matter as it is completely confidential and without prejudice and the court will not know anything about it.

So, take the call and offer £0 and it will be over in minutes.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Just had part 1 of the call, the mediator discussed what could happen if I went to court and the burden would be on me to prove I didn’t breach the terms and conditions of the parking not on them. He said only way to avoid it is offering a settlement today.

I offered £0

He asked me to explain my defence? So I said it was disproportionate to the loss they’ve achieved (this bit took me by surprise so hoping I’ve not said too much!)

Call lasted 4 minutes 

He then called back to say they intend to take it to court and I should expect more details soon
« Last Edit: April 03, 2025, 10:13:01 am by eggybread123 »

Since this issue, was there a change in the new CoP about this ridiculous 5 minutes to pay.

If the mediator genuinely said that you should complain about them, that's nonsense. It is the claimant's job to prove you owe the money (subject to the standard required by the court).

I absolutely concur with @DWMB2 above. What the mediator said was not only legally incorrect, but also well beyond their remit. The Small Claims Mediation Service (SCMS) is not there to advise, pressure, or prejudge a case — especially not by misrepresenting the burden of proof or the legal framework.

"The burden would be on you to prove you didn’t breach the terms and conditions..."

This is legally wrong. In a civil claim for breach of contract — such as a private parking claim — the burden is on the claimant to prove:

• That a contract existed,
• That the terms were breached,
• That they suffered a loss or were entitled to a set amount as a result.

The defendant need not prove a negative (i.e. that they didn’t breach anything). They are entitled to deny the allegations and put the claimant to strict proof.

SCMS mediators are not legally trained, not judges, and not permitted to offer:

• Legal advice,
• Legal assessments of either party’s case,
• Predictions of court outcomes,
• Threats or pressure to settle.

They are supposed to facilitate discussion and pass offers between parties in a neutral, confidential setting. Anything more is a misconduct of role.

I strongly advise you to email the following complaint to the HMCTS Small Claims Mediation Service at  scmreferrals@justice.gov.uk and also CC in yourself:

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To: HMCTS Small Claims Mediation Service

scmreferrals@justice.gov.uk

Subject: Formal Complaint – Misconduct by Mediator During Mediation Call

Dear Sir/Madam,

I wish to raise a formal complaint regarding the conduct of the mediator assigned to my recent small claims mediation call in relation to a parking charge dispute.

During the call, the mediator made the following statement:

“The burden would be on you to prove you didn’t breach the terms and conditions of the parking, not on them.”

This is both legally incorrect and entirely beyond the scope of what a Small Claims mediator is authorised or qualified to say. In civil proceedings, it is well established that the burden of proof lies with the claimant, who must demonstrate that a contract existed, that its terms were breached, and that they are entitled to the sum claimed. A defendant is under no obligation to disprove a breach, and any suggestion otherwise misrepresents the legal framework.

Furthermore, the mediator advised that the only way to avoid court was to offer a settlement on the day, thereby implying that refusal to settle would automatically lead to adverse consequences. This was clearly an attempt to pressure me into making a payment, contrary to the intended voluntary nature of the mediation process.

The call lasted no more than four minutes, during which the mediator:

• Misstated the law regarding burden of proof;
• Asked me to explain my defence in a way that felt more like cross-examination than facilitation;
• Made a second call to advise that the claimant would now proceed to court, again implying that a refusal to settle was ill-advised.

Such conduct undermines the integrity of the mediation process. Small Claims mediators are not legal advisers and should not make legal pronouncements or strategic suggestions. Their role is to act as a neutral facilitator of discussion between parties, and not to coerce or mislead unrepresented litigants.

I request that this matter be investigated and that the mediator concerned be reminded of the limits of their authority and the importance of impartiality. I also ask that a record of this complaint be retained in case the issue arises in future proceedings.

I look forward to your acknowledgment and to confirmation that this matter is being properly reviewed.

Yours faithfully,

[Full Name]
[Case Reference Number / Claim Number]
[Date of Mediation Call]

Please let us know the response.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2025, 12:31:08 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Hi guys

Had the notice of transfer of proceedings today. Assuming I just now sit tight and wait for next steps?

Quite surprised they are still going for it especially with all the latest (& local) rulings for the same car park, same problem and same court!

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If it were me I'd take a punt at seeing whether a judge might feel that this could be applied retrospectively.

https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/Sector%20Code%20Templates/sectorsingleCodeofPracticeVersion1.1130225.pdf

This Code was first published in 2024. In
January 2025 the BPA and IPC created the
Private Parking Scrutiny and Advisory Panel
(the Panel). The Panel’s remit includes
oversight and review of The Code to uphold
standards in private parking management for
motorists and consumers. Consumer led
feedback identified an issue that the Panel
determined required an agile response and
which is reflected in this updated version of the
Code.
The Panel has created a new category of
Exempt Vehicle in Annex F.1. The category
relates to vehicles parked on land managed by
fixed camera technology. This change puts in
place protection to ensure that where a
genuine user is unable to make prompt
payment when entering a pay on entry car park
they do not receive a parking charge.

Annexe F.1
F.1 Exempt circumstances
Parking operators should take all reasonable steps to avoid issuing a notice to exempt
classes of vehicle (listed below) by scrutinising images and weighing the balance of doubt.
The Appeals Charter is a statement of the way certain grounds of appeal based on an
error or mitigating circumstances will be handled by the parking operator. There are 2
scenarios considered within the Appeals Charter:

Where the parking charge should be cancelled.
Annex F.1(j)
(j) a vehicle parked in a car park managed by fixed camera technology (ANPR and/or
CCTV) for which payment has been made for the full period of parking prior to the vehicle
leaving the car park.
NOTE: This exempt circumstance only relates to the timing of making payment. It does not
exempt a motorist from parking charges which have been issued for other contraventions
such as;
• Partial or under payment for the time parked,
• Where the driver has paid the tariff but made a major keying error when registering their
vehicle,
• Parking in a bay where the vehicle was not permitted to park
(this list is not exhaustive)
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Had the notice of transfer of proceedings today. Assuming I just now sit tight and wait for next steps?

Quite surprised they are still going for it especially with all the latest (& local) rulings for the same car park, same problem and same court!

You wait for the order from a judge at the local county court where this has been allocated to (no need to redact as it's not a secret).
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Hello I’ve received a court date now, slightly worried! Any advice I feel a bit out of my depth now.

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Stop worrying. I will still place money on DCB Legal discontinuing on or before Wednesday 25th June. Even if, in the very unlikely event that the trial fee is paid before then, you have until 9th July to submit a Witness Statement. The claimant is under the same deadlines.

Expect some correspondence or calls from DCB Legal offering to settle for a reduced amount. Resist the urge to respond. There is no requirement and is part of their modus operandi before throwing in the towel once the penny finally drops that you are not low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Good morning!

A positive result, thank you for all your help!

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As predicted. Please post a copy of the N279 NoD.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain