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Firstly great to see pepipoo still alive in some format

Euro Car parks, no display permit purchased JDW-The Francis Newton complex (Weatherspoons pub)

18/03/2025 I entered the JDW-The Francis Newton complex looking for a place to park after driving around the surrounding streets failing to find a more suitable area to park so I could attend a nearby property for a service call.
Google Map Link Street view)

The car park however was full, so I parked on the entrance road to the complex which did not have any restriction markings, e.g double yellow lines etc.
image of parking location
I was parked there for approximately 35 minutes.

2/04/2025 I later received a notification from the vehicle leasing company that they had received a Notice to Keeper for the following contravention
"No Valid Pay & Display was purchased".

I appealed to Euro Car Parks advising them that I had not used their car park, as it was full and sent them a street map view highlighting the area I had parked in
image sent to appeal of where i parked


I of course lost the appeal.
However I feel this is unjust, mainly because I did not actually park in their car park and considered the place I did park to be perfectly legal without any restrictions.
I now seem to have 2 choices.
1) Pay the fine (£45 if I pay it fairly quickly)
2) Appeal to POPLA. (Which if I lose will have to pay £75 to Euro car parks and an admin fee to the leasing company

Hopefully I have made all relevant details and documents available to those wishing to advise on my next action
Thanks in advance for any advice offered.
Following documents also attached
Notice to keeper
Appeal reply
« Last Edit: April 16, 2025, 04:48:41 pm by Terox »
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Re: Euro Car parks, no display permit purchased Sheffield
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Oh dear... and a former Pepipoo member. You should have remembered that you never, ever identify the driver. Your opening words already identify the driver. You should always refer to the driver in the third person. Never "I did this or that". Only "the driver did this or that".

Too late now and I can only presume you gave away the drivers identity in your initial appeal. I suggest you try and salvage what you can by searching for POPLA appeals on the forum to cobble something together for yourself. I am pretty sure that you will have no luck with POPLA and the only way you won't end up paying a penny to ECP is to weather the inevitable storm of useless debt recovery letters which you can safely ignore because all they can do is try and scare the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear.

Eventually, ECP will issue a claim through DCB Legal which will be your saving grace because they are utterly incompetent and as long as any claim issued by them is defended, even weakly, will eventually be discontinued.
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Re: Euro Car parks, no display permit purchased Sheffield
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Hi b789 thanks for the reply.
It was probably over a decade ago when I last received any fine and they were always speeding tickets so yeah, am older and memory not as good.

So there is no defence then for where I parked which wasn't in the car park on what appears to be a road with no parking restrictions ?
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The main defence you had was that there was no Keeper liability but that's down the drain now. Yes, you still have a defence but POPLA assessors can be really moronic and any appeal based on what you now have is less likely to succeed.

As long as you don't capitulate and pay them if POPLA reject your appeal, you will still not be paying a penny to ECP because as I have already stated, if you do nothing and wait for a county court claim that will be issued by DCB Legal and defend it, they will eventually discontinue.

This is not based on guesswork but by documented fact. Their modus operandi is known.
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Ok thx for the reply, so if I go down this route, what do you mean specifically by "Defend it".
Would this be a matter of letter writing or would these mean hiring legal council ?
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If you can't convince a POPLA assessor that the PCN has been issued incorrectly or it is invalid, then this will end up as a county court claim. However, that s a good thing. ECP use DCB Legal to issue their claims and it is a sure thing that if DCB Legal are involved, as long as the claim is defended (we provide the defence), it will either be struck out or discontinued.

There is no need for any "legal councel" or anything like that. This is a very simple matter that does not need to involve any solicitors or "councel". We deal with this day in and day out. All you have to do is follow the advice and not to try and overthink it. There is no risk of a CCJ and you won't be paying a penny to ECP.

Do a search of the forum and see how it all works.
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Thank you for ther help so far.
I have submitted the appeal to Popla and will update when I receive their decision
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Re: Euro Car parks, no display permit purchased Sheffield (CLOSED with a win)
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Firstly thanks for the help.
Secondly received a reply from POPLA

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The operator has contacted us and told us that they have withdrawn your appeal.

If you have already paid your parking charge, this is the reason your appeal will have been withdrawn. Unfortunately, you cannot pay your parking charge and appeal, which means that POPLA’s involvement in your appeal has ended. You will not be able to request a refund of the amount paid in order to resubmit your appeal to us.

If you have not paid your parking charge, the operator has reviewed your appeal and chosen to cancel the parking charge. As the operator has withdrawn your appeal, POPLA’s involvement has now ended and you do not need to take any further action.

Kind regards

POPLA Team

So now all I have to do is get an email from Eurocarparks stating they have cancelled their claim so I can get a refund for an admin fee from the vehicle leasing company

WIN! WIN!
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Re: Euro Car parks, no display permit purchased Sheffield
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Euro Car Parks may not get in touch with you. Would the confirmation from POPLA not suffice for the rental company?
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Quote from: DWMB2 on May 09, 2025, 12:24:50 pm
Euro Car Parks may not get in touch with you. Would the confirmation from POPLA not suffice for the rental company?
I don't know I can try.
POPLA's email stated 2 reasons for the withdrawl, one of which is that I could have paid the fine which I didn't. How the leasing company would view that email is down to them.
There also seems to be NO email address to send to Europarks for confirmation that it has been dropped, just a contact form to the UK office. My experience with contact forms is you rarely get a response.
But yes will try forwarding the email first.
Thanks again for the help this site does for everyone
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