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ECP PCN – Cardinal Park Ipswich
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Hello 

I have received a PCN from ECP in Cardinal Park Ipswich. Is this worth challenging please?

Let me know if you need anything further.





Many thanks.

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Re: ECP PCN – Cardinal Park Ipswich
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Give us some background?

Did the driver pay?

Any receipt or ticket etc?

The notice is not PoFA compliant so there cannot be any keeper liability.

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The driver parked near to the McDonald's to meet a mate for some food. The driver doesn't live locally, it’s about an hour away, so they only head over that way every now and then. A year or so ago, parking was free for an hour so they just assumed that was still the case. They did end up staying a bit longer than that anyway. Not sure if that actually makes much difference. If it’s still the one hour free parking, then the driver is only looking at about a 30 minute overstay, which might be easier to argue. If it’s changed to pay and display though, it could be a bit harder to fight. Please advise.

Driver did not pay and only received a notice to keeper.
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I am even less local, but there is information on the internet that it’s 1 hour of free parking for McDonalds’ customers by parking in specifically marked spaces and providing the car’s registration registration on a terminal in McDonalds.

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Given what was said about it not being PoFA compliant, should I just challenge ECP purely on no keeper liability under PoFA, and leave it at that for now? If it’s genuinely unlikely to be successfully challenged then of course I’d rather take the discount than risk paying the full amount.

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With ECP it will be a long drawn out process before it got to a court claim.
The advice normally is that they will discontinue the claim before paying the court fee.

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Given what was said about it not being PoFA compliant, should I just challenge ECP purely on no keeper liability under PoFA, and leave it at that for now? If it’s genuinely unlikely to be successfully challenged then of course I’d rather take the discount than risk paying the full amount.

Yes, I would do exactly that.

We can then use a more powerful appeal with POPLA.

I have been developing a ECP appeal for POPLA which I feel POPLA will find hard to refute.

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I feel POPLA will find hard to refute.
They like a challenge...
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Given what was said about it not being PoFA compliant, should I just challenge ECP purely on no keeper liability under PoFA, and leave it at that for now? If it’s genuinely unlikely to be successfully challenged then of course I’d rather take the discount than risk paying the full amount.

There's no way they will accept it's not POFA compliant, and it's very unlikely POPLA will either. It keeps getting trotted out that these PCNs are not POFA compliant so the keeper can't be held liable, it's a theory, a lay opinion, not hard fact, and should not be framed in that way. Until we actually see a court case which is thrown out based solely on the alleged POFA non-compliance argument we don't know whether the argument has legs or not. Even if a judge did reject the claim it's not binding on other cases. What I can't get my head around is why so many of the big companies would issue POFA non-compliant PCNs if tweaking a few words which costs nothing would make them compliant. So if your two options are get it cancelled on appeal or pay the discounted amount now you really only have one option.

If you really want to avoid paying it you probably can, doesn't really matter what you appeal on, you're just going through the motions. You then have months of debt collectors letters probably followed by a court claim which you will need to engage with and file a defence. It's likely but not guaranteed they will drop a defended case just before they need to pay the court fee. How much is your time worth to you?

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I’ll go ahead and submit an appeal to ECP. If (or more likely when by the sounds of it) they reject it, I’ll come back here and we can put together the POPLA appeal you mentioned. I work from home most of the time, so I’ve got plenty of time to waste arguing with parking companies instead of doing anything productive.

Appreciate the guidance.

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I’ve now received the rejection email from ECP and a POPLA reference.


I have been developing a ECP appeal for POPLA which I feel POPLA will find hard to refute.
Is this ready to go please?


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Feel free;

Euro Car Parks POPLA Appeal


I am the Registered Keeper of the vehicle in question and, since the driver is not known to the operator, I will be making my representations purely as keeper.


I understand that, under 'POPLA Rules', I must set out my appeal points and the parking operator must rebut them?


Non compliance with PoFA 2012.

The parking operators NtK fails to comply with PoFA and, as a result, liability cannot be passed from driver to keeper.

In particular, the NtK fails to satisfy the legal requirements of PoFA Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2)(e), 9(2)(e)(i) and 9(2)(e)(ii).

This non compliance is immediately fatal to the operators reliance on PoFA.

Paragraph 9(2)(e), 9(2)(e)(i) and 9(2)(e)(ii) sets out the following;


THE NOTICE MUST STATE that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper—

(i)to pay the unpaid parking charges; or

(ii)if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver;


So, in order to establish compliance, we must examine the operators NtK.

An examination of the legislation surrounding 9(2)(e) reveals that compliance is achieved by the setting out of the statutory wording immediately followed by a two limbed 'invitation to the keeper' to either 'pay the unpaid parking charges' or 'nominate another driver'.

So, to make this really easy, in the first instance, we are looking for the specific statutory wording set out in 9(2)(e) itself.

The legislation specifies that THE NOTICE MUST STATE, "that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver"

An examination of the operators NtK reveals that the statutory wording is not present.

This is immediately fatal to the operators reliance on PoFA.

However, to demonstrate my appeal point further, the NtK is then required to present a two limbed 'invitation to the keeper' which 'invites the keeper' to either 'pay the unpaid parking charges' or 'if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver'

Please again note the exact wording of the statute;

That the notice must state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver AND invite the keeper— blah blah blah

I have capitalised  the word AND for good reason since the word AND demonstrates that compliance is only achieved if the operator is able to demonstrate that both legs of the AND logic have been satisfied.

Please note (and I apologise for sounding like a Junior School Teacher) that a 'warning to the keeper' is not 'an invitation to the keeper' - The words 'warn' and 'invite' have very different meanings and it is important that the correct wording is understood and applied when examining the NtK since other terms of the legislation require that 'a warning' be set out on the NtK - I understand that some POPLA assessors have become confused on this issue in the past and have inadvertently applied the reversed meanings - to be clear, a warning is not an invite.

So, back to the two limbed invitation to the keeper - when the NtK is examined the two limbed invitation is not present.

Nor is there an 'invitation to the keeper to pay the unpaid charges' - this is also the specific requirement of 9(2)(e)(i).

So, as I am sure you can see, there are multiple compliance issues on the operators NtK.


So,

APPEAL POINT ONE - That the operators NtK does not contain the legally required mandatory wording required by 9(2)(e), namely; "the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver" - I therefore ask the operator to specifically rebut this appeal point by supplying a copy of the relevant NTK, to the POPLA Assessor, with an orange rectangle around the wording, "the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver" - for total clarity, please do not include any other notations on the provided NtK - just the orange rectangle.

APPEAL POINT TWO - That, subsequent to the statutory wording required by 9(2)(e), the operators NtK does not set out the mandatory two legged invitation to the keeper to either pay the unpaid parking charges or nominate another driver - Once again, I ask the operator to specifically rebut this appeal point by supplying a copy of the NtK which clearly sets out, in an orange rectangle, the two legged legal invitation which the legislation requires in order to be compliant.

APPEAL POINT THREE - That, in accordance with 9(2)(e) and subsequently 9(2)(e)(i), the NtK must 'invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charges' - Once I again I ask the operator to prove that the NtK complies with this requirement - please demonstrate the 'invitation to the keeper to pay the unpaid charges' - Please do not confuse this 'invitation' with any 'warning to keeper' contained in the requirements of 9(2)(f).


If both the Parking Operator and the POPLA Assessor could use my numbered points then this would be very useful and should ensure that all appeal points are correctly addressed.

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This is excellent. Much appreciated.