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Hearing via Cloud Video Platform?

That's how I understood it, yes. Sounds like a good idea to me, for obvious reasons.

Is Bromley your 'home court'? I see it is listed as a video hearing. That is not ideal.

You can object to a CVP (Cloud Video Platform) hearing and ask for a face-to-face hearing instead, but it is up to the court to decide whether to allow it.

To make the request, you need to do the following:

• Ask as soon as possible, ideally as soon as the hearing notice is received.
• Write to the court that listed the hearing, giving the claim number and the date of the hearing.
• Explain clearly why you need a face-to-face hearing. Reasons might include difficulty using technology, needing to show or examine physical evidence, communication difficulties, or the case being too complex to manage by video.

The court has the power to decide how a hearing is held. It can choose a video hearing, but it must make sure the hearing is fair for both sides. If the judge believes a face-to-face hearing is necessary to make the process fair, they can order it.

Send the following to your local county court if it is not Bromley:

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Claim Number: [insert claim number]
Parties: [Claimant v Defendant]
Hearing Date: [insert hearing date, if known]

Dear Sir or Madam,

I am the Defendant in the above claim, which is currently listed as a video (CVP) hearing. I am writing to respectfully request that the hearing be held in person at [your local county court] court instead.

I would feel more comfortable presenting my case face to face, as I am not particularly confident using video technology for formal proceedings. I believe I would be able to express myself more clearly and follow the process more effectively in a courtroom setting.

I would be grateful if the court would consider this request. Please let me know if any further information is needed.

Yours faithfully,

[Your full name]
[Your address]
[Date]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Yes, Bromley is our home court, but I actually requested The Strand coz of easier access, etc. Seems we didn't get it.

I take your points about CVP, but what about the advantages? Eg, we turn up for a hearing (possibly with expensive counsel) only to find out that our case has been deferred coz of preceding overruns. Apart from which, the defendant has already expressed her reluctance to take a day off work in order to attend a hearing in person.

I had to assure her that I would personally make good any loss of celery.* I'd even be willing to throw a tomato at the claimant. But seriously, does a CVP really put us at a disadvantage that does not apply equally to the claimant? So approx. evenhandedness is preserved, no?

*Assuming we win if it goes to a hearing, can she claim loss of income as a legitimate expense? Cost of legal representation? She won't want to represent herself.

There remains the strong possibility it is discontinued.
*Assuming we win if it goes to a hearing, can she claim loss of income as a legitimate expense? Cost of legal representation? She won't want to represent herself.
Costs in the small claims track are very limited, you may wish to consult Rule 27.14 of the Civil Procedure Rules for more detail. Loss of earnings is capped at £95 per day. Legal representation would likely cost more than the value of the claim, and is generally not needed for these cases.

Ok, let's cross that bridge if/when we get there. I know she won't be happy representing herself [she'd find it too stressful], and I'm not allowed to speak on her behalf. Not sure we'd have much choice.

Yes, Bromley is our home court, but I actually requested The Strand coz of easier access, etc. Seems we didn't get it.

I take your points about CVP, but what about the advantages? Eg, we turn up for a hearing (possibly with expensive counsel) only to find out that our case has been deferred coz of preceding overruns. Apart from which, the defendant has already expressed her reluctance to take a day off work in order to attend a hearing in person.

I had to assure her that I would personally make good any loss of celery.* I'd even be willing to throw a tomato at the claimant. But seriously, does a CVP really put us at a disadvantage that does not apply equally to the claimant? So approx. evenhandedness is preserved, no?
The claimant will discontinue rather than invest the time and money to attend a court in person. They may well not discontinue if they only need to “attend” remotely, from their offices in Runcorn or wherever.
Hence the advice to ask for a hearing in person which will always be at a court local to the defendant.
And if you follow advice here you don’t need “expensive counsel”.
Yes, it’s a pain assuming it went as far as court, but you’re not putting yourself in the claimant’s shoes. They won’t attend in person for a £100 claim. It’s not their business model. It’s why we advise what we do.
But only you know your thoughts, and if your friend would find attending in person too stressful, however unlikely it is that it would come to that, then do what you have to.
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Ok, let's cross that bridge if/when we get there. I know she won't be happy representing herself [she'd find it too stressful], and I'm not allowed to speak on her behalf. Not sure we'd have much choice.

Why on earth do you think you'd need "expensive councel"? Of course you can represent her in court as a Lay Representative and speak on her behalf. The only requirement is that she has to also attend. When you get to court, you only need to let the Usher know that you will be representing the defendant as her Lay Rep and ask them to inform the judge. You cannot be denied that right. Print this out and wave it at them should you get any resistance:

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STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS

1999 No. 1225

COUNTY COURTS

The Lay Representatives (Rights of Audience) Order 1999

Made 27th April 1999
Laid before Parliament 27th April 1999
Coming into force 18th May 1999

The Lord Chancellor, in exercise of the powers conferred on him by sections 11 and 120 of the Courts and Legal Services Act 1990(1) and having consulted the Senior Presiding Judge, hereby makes the following Order:–

1.  This Order may be cited as the Lay Representatives (Rights of Audience) Order 1999 and shall come into force on 18th May 1999.

2.  The Lay Representatives (Rights of Audience) Order 1992(2) is hereby revoked.

3.—(1) Subject to paragraph (2), any person may exercise rights of audience in proceedings dealt with as a small claim in accordance with rules of court.

(2) A lay representative may not exercise any right of audience:–

(a) where his client does not attend the hearing;

(b) at any stage after judgment; or

(c) on any appeal brought against any decision made by the district judge in the proceedings.

Irvine of Lairg, C.
Dated 27th April 1999


EXPLANATORY NOTE
(This note is not part of the Order)

This Order provides for lay representatives to continue to exercise rights of audience in small claims cases in the county courts. Section 11 of the Courts and Legal Services Act 1990 has been amended to facilitate the making of new Civil Procedure Rules, under which small claims cases are no longer referred to arbitration, but are allocated to a small claims track. This Order does not alter current practice, but is made as a consequence of those changes.

As explained above, the reason for requesting a hearing in person is that DCB Legal will discontinue if it is a hearing in person. If it is a CVP hearing, they will just continue and attend the CVP hearing. You can decide to continue with the CVP hearing or request a hearing face to face which is highly likely to be discontinued.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2025, 11:31:42 am by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Good points gentlemen, and of course I'll follow your advice on that. The more I put their nose out of joint the better.

On the question of my rights as her Mackenzie friend, I must have misunderstood a previous comment in this very thread. I'll see if I can find it and quote it here for clarification.

Thanks again. 

You are not a McKenzie Friend. Do not conflate the two roles. Do a bit of research on the difference! A Lay Representative is different!
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Aha! That explains a lot. I thought they were one and the same thing, hence my confusion. So ok, no expensive counsel then.
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There remains the strong possibility it is discontinued.
etc etc.

Spot on. The defendant received N279 on 9th Sept. What a surprise.

Thx for all the help. We are forever in your debt.
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Well done for persevering. Can you please show us the N279, especially the signature of whoever put their name to it.

You now have an opportunity to get your own back and to possibly get some costs for their unreasonable behaviour.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Sure. Watch this space.

Not sure we incurred any xpenses as such.