Author Topic: Civil Enforcement Ltd - N1SDT Claim form recieved for PCN isssued for Swanley Park parking in New Barn Rd  (Read 21959 times)

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If they call me, do I pick up?
I wouldn't. Correspondence should be in writing.

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Exactly what I said to the defendant.

As I thunked. Ok, thx.

If they call me, do I pick up?

Nah... block their number.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Hey guys,

Please see uploaded images of N157 here:

https://ibb.co/album/7bzpXm

I've used a different hosting site, so hopefully the link will work.


Hmm .... well, the suggested draft defence and order on #2 seems to have had zero effect on the allocations judge. This begs two questions:

1. Shouldn't the judge at least have given his reasons for rejecting both the strike out and amended PoC requests?

2. I'm concerned about para. # 4) of the N157, (hilited) which appears to contradict advice I've received here about attempts by DCBL to contact the defendant. Could her failure to take their calls prejudice her defence at a hearing - if it goes that far?

In response to your two questions...

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1. Shouldn't the judge at least have given reasons for rejecting both the strike out and amended PoC requests?
Yes, ideally — but in practice, not necessarily at this stage.

This was an allocation order, not a hearing or formal judgment. While the defence included a request for strike-out or an order for further particulars, the judge was not obliged to rule on that at the allocation stage. Many District Judges will simply allocate to track and defer any substantive issues to the final hearing.

As the draft order was attached as part of the defence but no N244 application was submitted with a fee (and the matter was not listed for a hearing), the court may treat it as a request, not a formal application requiring reasons. This omission (i.e. not filing an N244 for directions or strike-out) may be why no explicit decision or reason is provided.

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2. Does paragraph 4) of the N157 mean the defendant should have answered DCBL’s calls? Could ignoring them prejudice the case?

No, ignoring calls from DCBL will not prejudice the defence at trial.

Paragraph 4 of the N157 states:

The parties are encouraged to contact each other with a view to trying to settle the case or narrow the issues.”

This is a general encouragement, not a compulsory direction, and it applies to both sides. The defendant is not obliged to negotiate with DCB Legal or respond to unsolicited calls or emails, particularly if those calls are vague, coercive, or unclear about their purpose. The court cannot and does not penalise a party for failing to engage with a debt collector's phone calls.

However, if this were a party-to-party discussion or a properly made Part 36 offer or Calderbank settlement letter, the court might consider unreasonable refusal to engage in settlement discussions when deciding costs after judgment. But that doesn’t apply here.

In summary:

• Not answering DCB Legal’s phone calls cannot prejudice the defence.
• The paragraph encourages negotiation between parties, not between a defendant and a third-party agent using vague or harassing tactics.

I am still very confident that DCB Legal will discontinue before the trial fee has to be paid. That deadline will come in a further order with the hearing date.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Many District Judges will simply allocate to track and defer any substantive issues to the final hearing.
If I were a betting man I'd wager this is due in part to the sheer number of civil claims filed these days (caused in no small part by firms like this). If there were fewer claims being raised, they'd probably have more time to consider cases pre-hearing.

As for paragraph #4... what b789 said. You have attempted to settle the matter without the need for a hearing, by setting out your position both to the PPC and DCB Legal. What judges don't like is cases that wind up in their courtroom, where one or both parties has made no attempt to engage with the matter outside of court. That is not the case here.

Got it, and thx for the prompt advice.

So, both the strike-out and amended PoC requests are still [apparently] being ignored/going begging:
https://imgur.com/a/odkP6dj

Would I be correct to assume that those same arguments can still be deployed at the hearing? IOW, as a key part of her defence?

In the meantime, the defendant received this email from the Claimant's legal reps:

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From: Katie Walsh <KatieW.bpo@dcblegal.co.uk>
Date: 9 July 2025 at XX:XX:XX BST
To: xxxxxxxxx.co.uk
Subject: Our ref: xxxxxxxxxx / Civil Enforcement Limited v xxxxxxxxxx / Your ref:


Dear xxxxxxxxxxx,

Re: Our Client: Civil Enforcement Limited

Claim Number: XXXXXXXX 

WITHOUT PREJUDICE SAVE AS TO COSTS

We write to you in relation to the above matter.

To assist the Court in achieving its overriding objective, our Client may be prepared to settle this case. I can confirm our Client would be agreeable to £145 in full and final settlement of this Claim. The current outstanding balance is £289.04.   

Should you be agreeable to this offer, please confirm the same within 7 days. Payment can be made via our website www.dcblegal.co.uk, by calling our office on 0203 838 7038 or via bank transfer: 

DCB Legal Ltd Client Account
Sort Code: 20-24-09
Account no: 60964441   

When making payment please ensure you include the following reference number, xxxxxxxxxxxxx, to enable us to allocate it to the correct case.

Upon receipt of the settlement sum of £145 we will update the Court that the matter has been settled. If you are not agreeable, we will continue to follow the Court process as normal. 


Kind Regards,
Katie Walsh 

Litigation Associate
DCB Legal Ltd

This was after she failed to pick up on around a dozen or so of their tel/calls. Ignore, or reply to reject their kind 'offer'? If the latter, can I reject on her behalf - as her 'Mackie' friend?

Many thanks.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2025, 06:43:52 pm by Eryobotrya »

PS: Oh, and BTW, I read somewhere [MSE I think] that Pepipoo threads/files have been archived somewhere, and found a link for the site that I'm fairly sure I'll be able to dig up. It runs v. slowly, apparently, but might still be worth interrogating for those fotos of the signage. OTOH, if they were merely links to a hosting site, well ......... I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

WayBack Machine / Internet Archive probably has some. Can be difficult to use to navigate forums I believe.


Yup.

And the answer to #97?

You've only shown one page of the directions. This will be discontinued before the trial fee has to be paid by the claimant. There won't be any hearing!

What is the deadline for submitting trial bundles/witnenss statements? this is why we ask that you show everything that may be relevant. Usually it is buried in the small print that both parties must submit to the court and to each other copies of the documents they will be relying on no later than 14 days before the hearing date. If it is different, we need to know. However, I still bet it will be discontinued before the trial fee date deadline.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Yeah, I only uploaded the facing page. The rest of it looked like bog-standard verbiage to me that I thought would already be familiar to you guys. Seems I was wrong - and not for the first time either.

Ok, I'll post up the rest of the docs soon as. Gotta admire your confidence that they'll drop the claim just before the hearing fee becomes due, considering they are threatening to follow through in their missive to the defendant.

Scare tactics all the way, right? We'll see.

I even take odds of 10:1, if anyone is willing to take them, that the claim will be discontinued before they have to pay the trial fee.

Their modus operandi is well known to those of us who deal with them on a daily basis.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

With apologies for my tardiness. I've had quite a few distractions recently. There were 3 more pages of directions given by the court, and I'm fairly confident no time limits have been exceeded. Again, hopefully the link will work.

https://imgur.com/a/BnSOPDn

Thx for you help b789. Really appreciated.

PS: I replied to the email from DCBL. I rejected their discounted offer to settle on behalf of the defendant.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2025, 05:35:54 pm by Eryobotrya »