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Hello just an update, came home to another 2 ring binders with the physical copies of their trial bundle and authorities bundle, with a letter on the front which I've uploaded here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LVqU_GcTuShX62xpVJm76ZstT_UBMW83/view?usp=drivesdk

Re: CCJ for private parking charge registered to my old address
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The order they speak of doesn't appear to exist, there is one dated 3rd June 2025 but the page and text they speak of doesn't exist in that. I have everything that was sent to me in my inbox, also, surely they wouldn't send another order a month after the final order that was sent. I feel they have mixed up the paperwork with someone else's.

There are also a load of new added photos or signage etc and landowner authority letters I am pretty sure weren't in the original WS sent by QDR. I have to go through it all but I am pretty sure they are new. The signage pics prove nothing IMO as they are not shown in context to the location of the alleged contravention, and many are of completely different sections of the car park.
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Re: CCJ for private parking charge registered to my old address
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Sorry my mistake, the paper copies they sent of the signage and landowner etc do appear to be as per their emailed bundle which I received. They just looked different in paper form. The pics don't show anything of note anyway.

Where they got this 3rd July court order from is still a mystery though, as the final court order was dated 3rd June and there is no 4th page or text that they speak of within it anyway.

Re: CCJ for private parking charge registered to my old address
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This is such unreasonable behaviour. Email the court and CC QDR and yourself:

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Subject: UKPC v [Your Name] – Claim [number] – Objection to late bundles and request for directions

Dear Court,

I am the Defendant (litigant in person). The hearing is listed for 20 November 2025.

Yesterday/today I received from the Claimant two ring-bound bundles (trial and authorities) together with a covering letter asserting that an order “dated 3 July 2025” requires bundles to be filed no less than three days before the hearing.

I have not been served with any such order. The only directions in my possession state (at paragraph 6) that each party must deliver to the other party and to the court copies of all documents on which that party intends to rely no later than fourteen days before the hearing. The Claimant’s bundles and the additional documents within them were served well after that deadline.

I object to the late service and to the inclusion of “new” evidence (additional photos, signage images and landowner letters) that were not contained in the Claimant’s witness statement. No application for an extension or for relief from sanctions has been made or served on me.

I respectfully ask the Court to:

1. Exclude all material served late and any new documents not contained in the Claimant’s witness statement; or
2. If the Court is minded to admit any late material, to list a short adjournment and order the Claimant to pay my wasted costs, given the prejudice caused to a litigant in person.

For clarity before the hearing, I also ask the Court to confirm which directions order governs filing/service for this matter.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]
Defendant

Email QDR and CC the court and yourself as follows:

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Subject: UKPC v [Your Name] – Claim [number] – Late bundles, new evidence and wrong order date

Dear Sirs,

I acknowledge receipt of your ring-bound trial and authorities bundles and your letter dated 12 November 2025.

Your letter refers to an order “dated 3 July 2025” with a three-day bundle provision. I have not been served with any such order. The only directions on file require service of all documents to be relied upon no later than fourteen days before the hearing. Your bundles and the additional documents are therefore out of time. No application for relief has been served.

I object to:
• All material served late; and
• All “new” photographs/signage/landowner letters now added to the bundle which were not in your witness statement, have no provenance or dates, and lack location context.

I will invite the Court to exclude the late material. If the Court is minded to admit it, I will seek an adjournment with costs due to the prejudice caused to me as a litigant in person.

Please treat this email as formal notice of objection and place it with your bundle correspondence.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]

Further tips for the hearing:

• Bring the direction sheet that says 14 days (the photo you shared).
• Have your costs schedule ready; ask for £24/hr LiP time + disbursements under CPR 27.14(2)(g) if the Judge finds their conduct unreasonable.
• If the Judge asks “what prejudice?”, say: you needed time to check dates, provenance and site-context of the new photos/letters; preparing a response at short notice is unfair for a LiP; late service increases your prep time and cost.
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Re: CCJ for private parking charge registered to my old address
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Thank you very much, and apologies but I posted with an update after comparing the docs, I posted at the exact same time as you....I think the documents in the WS and bundles are the same so my mistake.

As I say though, the point still stands about the court order, it is dated 3rd June not July, and it is a very small order with no extra pages and no text that they refer to whatsoever. This was amended from a previous May order which had the words 'claimant' and defendant' the wrong way around, so the 3rd June order was the last and final one.

I will send what you kindly suggested for me, but omit the bit about the photos as they do appear to be the same in both documents, they just looked new to me as they were in paper form.
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Good afternoon!

Just had an early Christmas gift land in my inbox:

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Good afternoon,
 
UK PARKING CONTROL LIMITED -v-
Claim Number:
Our Reference: 4161637
 
We write in relation to the above matter.
 
Please find attached the Claimants Notice of Discontinuance. Due to the time constraints and the hearing being listed for tomorrow 20 November 2025 at 10am, we request this be referred to a Judge urgently and for the hearing listed for tomorrow to be vacated.
 
Please note that the Defendant has been copied in this email.
 
Yours faithfully

QDR Solicitors
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Re: CCJ for private parking charge registered to my old address
« Reply #141 on: »
Can you please show us the N279 NoD. Please leave the signature and their position visible.

This is exactly what we wanted — but you MUST NOT let them escape without costs.

And their little trick — discontinuing 24 hours before the hearing — is classic unreasonable behaviour under the White Book note to CPR 38.6.1, which allows the court to award you all your costs even on the small claims track.

Even though they want it “vacated”, the hearing remains listed unless the court expressly removes it from the list. Do not trust QDR.

You should attend and say:

“The Claimant has discontinued at the last minute. I respectfully apply for my costs under CPR 38.6 and the White Book annotation 38.6.1 due to unreasonable conduct.”

Judges routinely grant this when parking firms and their moronic solicitors pull this stunt.

Send your costs schedule to the court NOW. Email it immediately to the court and CC QDR with subject:

URGENT – Hearing tomorrow – Defendant’s Costs Schedule (Claim No: XXXXXXXX)

Attach:

• your costs schedule
• your updated covering email

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Subject: URGENT – Hearing Tomorrow – Application for Costs Following Discontinuance (Claim No: [number])

Dear Sir or Madam,

I write as the Defendant in the above claim, which is listed for hearing on 20 November 2025 at 10:00am.

At 2pm today, I received an email from the Claimant’s solicitors enclosing a Notice of Discontinuance filed less than 24 hours before the hearing.

This extremely late discontinuance has put me to wholly unnecessary time, cost, and preparation after over three years of defective litigation, including:

1. failure to serve the original claim,
2. failure to comply with the CPR 16.4 order following set-aside,
3. the introduction of late evidence in breach of the court’s directions,
4. and now this last-minute discontinuance on the eve of trial.

I will be attending the hearing tomorrow.

I respectfully request that the matter remains listed for the court to hear my application for costs arising from the Claimant’s unreasonable conduct.

Under CPR 38.6 a claimant who discontinues is liable for the defendant’s costs, and although CPR 27 limits costs in the small claims track, the White Book annotation to CPR 38.6.1 expressly confirms that costs may still be awarded where the claimant has behaved unreasonably, including where discontinuance is served late.

I attach my costs schedule, served within the permitted timeframe under CPR 44.9.5(4)(a).

I therefore invite the court to (a) refuse the request to vacate the hearing, and (b) award the Defendant their costs due to the Claimant’s unreasonable behaviour in the conduct of these proceedings.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
Defendant

You are allowed to file it not less than 24 hours before the hearing, so sending it now is perfect and fully compliant.

Send the following to QDR:

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Subject: Re: Notice of Discontinuance – Claim No: XXXXXXX

Dear Sirs

I acknowledge receipt of the Notice of Discontinuance.

Given the extremely late stage at which you have discontinued — less than 24 hours before trial — I will be attending tomorrow’s hearing to seek my costs under CPR 38.6 and the White Book annotation to CPR 38.6.1 on the basis of the Claimant’s unreasonable conduct.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]

What will happen tomorrow

Three likely outcomes:

1. Most likely:
Judge keeps the hearing, hears your short submissions, and awards your costs (your full £422 or close to it).

2. Possibility:
Judge decides no hearing is needed and deals with it on paper. If so, you still get a written costs order.

3. Very rare:
Judge vacates the hearing and asks for written submissions. If that happens, you still win costs — you just submit by email.

You’ve played this perfectly by following the advice. Their last-minute discontinuance is textbook unreasonable behaviour.
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Re: CCJ for private parking charge registered to my old address
« Reply #142 on: »
Thank you so much, I did send my costs in to both parties yesterday, is that OK? I had a feeling this was a trick of some sort too so will attend court tomorrow until I hear from the actual court. Will upload the file they attached now.
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I've just done all as you said above, just in case.  :)
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Just in:

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We write in reference to the above matter.

 

Following on the below, it is the Claimant’s position that the Defendant has not yet incurred the costs of attending the Hearing, as this is yet to take place and a Notice of Discontinuance has now been filed and served on the parties and with the Court. Furthermore, the Claimant has discontinued the Claim, and the position remains that any costs incurred after the Notice of Discontinuance has been filed is due to the Defendant attending the Hearing which was listed to take place 20 November 2025.

 

Furthermore, we are in receipt of confirmation from the Court that the listed Hearing has been vacated and consequently, the Claimant’s advocate will not be in attendance, following confirmation of the Hearing being vacated.

 

Should the Defendant wish to contest the Notice of Discontinuance, the Claimant is of the position that he will need to make a formal application.

 

Yours faithfully, QDR

Re: CCJ for private parking charge registered to my old address
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Sorry to double post, but just wanted to add that I have not received a notice of discontinuation from the court and their close of business is 4pm as far as I'm aware, so I will be attending unless I hear otherwise. (Which will be cutting it fine as I'll have to set off for Hertford at 9am latest).

Re: CCJ for private parking charge registered to my old address
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Sorry to double post, but just wanted to add that I have not received a notice of discontinuation from the court and their close of business is 4pm as far as I'm aware, so I will be attending unless I hear otherwise. (Which will be cutting it fine as I'll have to set off for Hertford at 9am latest).
Unless you hear otherwise I think this is sensible. You are being expected to take the claimant and their solicitors at their word - given their unreasonable conduct throughout that process, few people would blame you for not being prepared to do that.

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the Defendant has not yet incurred the costs of attending the Hearing
That's probably the only cost you haven't incurred. All of the time and effort, and associated cost spent up until the courtroom door has still be incurred, much of which could have been avoided had the claimant behaved more reasonably.

Re: CCJ for private parking charge registered to my old address
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This response from QDR is standard bullshit designed to deter you. Unless the court itself tells you the hearing is vacated, you should plan to go.

QDR saying “we are in receipt of confirmation from the Court that the listed hearing has been vacated” is not enough. They lie, misread, or mix files all the time.

Here’s what to do:

1. Right now / tonight
• Assume you are attending tomorrow. Have your bundle, your WS and your costs schedule ready.

2. Tomorrow morning – 9am sharp
• Ring the court as soon as the lines open.
• Ask this, very plainly:
Is the hearing in [case number] at [time] today still listed, or has it been vacated?
• “Has a Notice of Discontinuance been processed?
• “Will the judge be dealing with my application for costs, and if so, on the papers or at a hearing?

3. If the court says: “Yes, it’s vacated and will be dealt with on the papers”
• Get the name of the person you spoke to.
• Ask them to note on the file that you have submitted a costs schedule and are seeking costs under CPR 38.6 because of the late discontinuance and unreasonable conduct.
• In that situation, you don’t need to travel, and your prep time is still claimable.

4. If you can’t get through, or they are vague, or say “it’s still listed” / “I can’t see it vacated”
• Go to court.
• If you don’t show and it’s still listed, you risk losing the chance to argue costs.
• Your travel, parking and time are then properly part of your costs schedule.

5. If you arrive and find the hearing has been vacated
• Go to the usher, explain you’re the defendant, the claim was discontinued late, and you’re seeking costs.
• Ask for your attendance and travel to be noted, and say you’ve already emailed a costs schedule.
• That record usually helps when the judge looks at costs later.

You’re not over-reacting by going. The only safe reason not to make the trip is if the court directly confirms it’s vacated and being dealt with on the papers. QDR’s email doesn’t change your obligations or your rights.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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You don’t need to reply to QDR at all now.

Costs are now between you and the court, not you and QDR. QDR’s last email is just them trying to:
• shut down your costs request, and
• scare you with “you need to make a formal application” (which is bollocks unless the judge tells you otherwise).

You’ve got the Notice of Discontinuance, sent your costs schedule to the court and told the court you want costs dealt with. That’s all that actually matters.

So, no further reply to QDR is required. If you want to be ultra-tidy, you could send a one-liner like:

Your position is noted. The issue of costs is now a matter for the court.

But it adds nothing of real value. I’d put your energy into ringing the court in the morning to confirm listing/vacated status, and being ready to argue costs briefly if you do end up in front of a judge.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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