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Barbudaprince

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Please see link to Google Drive https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nn7ERCJ9LCaf19v6RyJ5ZhvsJb7T4mYX?usp=drive_link

Would be grateful if you could let me know if this is all public on your end.

I have also uploaded some similar template responses would appreciate if you confirm if a good idea if I mixed these with my specific defence points. It seems like the defence size is character-limited so I will need to be careful.
« Last Edit: July 30, 2025, 07:24:04 pm by Barbudaprince »

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It is public, yes.

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The defence needs to be as short and concise as possible. Judges hate it when they have to rail through a lengthy defence in a small claim. The defence is simply a set of hooks which you can later hang your witness statement on.

So, with that in mind and the rubbish PoC served and likely too earn brownie points with the judge, I propose you simply submit the following as your defence in MCOL. It has been checked for the 65 character limit per line and is well within the 122 line limit. Simply copy and paste it into the MCOL defence box:

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1. The Defendant denies the claim in full. No contract was
formed, no breach occurred, and no debt is owed. The claim is
legally and procedurally deficient.

2. The Defendant is a leaseholder with a pre-existing right to
park under Clause 4.15 of the lease. This clause governs parking
and does not authorise third-party enforcement or delegate
rights to the Claimant.

3. The lease takes precedence. No separate contract could
arise from signage where parking is already regulated by lease.
The Claimant’s assertion of a contractual licence is legally
flawed.

4. The Particulars of Claim (PoC) fail to comply with CPR 16.4
and PD 16.7.3(1). The Claimant has not quoted or exhibited the
alleged contractual terms, nor identified any specific breach.

5. The PoC do not specify whether the Defendant is pursued as
driver or keeper. This ambiguity renders the claim incoherent
and procedurally improper.

6. The alleged contraventions (“Permit Required”, “No Parking on
Access Roads”, etc.) are bare assertions. No evidence is
provided of signage, terms, or acceptance.

7. The claimed sum of £510 is unexplained. No breakdown,
calculation, or legal basis is given for the charges or “debt
recovery costs.”

8. The PoC are vague, unsupported, and legally incoherent. The
claim should be struck out under CPR 3.4(2)(a) as disclosing no
reasonable grounds.

9. The Defendant submits that the claim is so vague and
procedurally deficient that it fails to disclose any reasonable
grounds. The PoC breach CPR 16.4 and PD 16.7.3(1), and no
legally recognisable cause of action is pleaded. Given the
modest value and disproportionate use of court resources, the
Defendant invites the court to strike out the claim under CPR
3.4(2)(a) rather than permit amendment. The following Draft
Order is proposed:

Draft Order:

Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the particulars
of claim and the defence.

AND the court being of the view that the Particulars of Claim,
though served separately, remain deficient and do not comply
with CPR 16.4(1)(a) and PD 16.7.3(1), because:

(a) They do not set out the exact wording of the clause(s) of
the terms and conditions relied upon; and

(b) They do not adequately set out the reason(s) why the
Claimant asserts that the Defendant was in breach of contract.

AND upon the claim being for a modest sum, such that the court
considers it disproportionate and contrary to the overriding
objective to allocate further resources by ordering amended
pleadings and further case management.

ORDER:
1. The claim is struck out.
2. Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or
stay this order by application on notice, which must be filed at
this Court not more than 5 days after service of this order,
failing which no such application may be made.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2025, 01:31:35 pm by b789 »
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Thank you for your advice thus far. I submitted the above text as defence.

Do I need to do anything in the interim?

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Nothing else to do until you receive acknowledgement from the claimant that they have received your defence and their client intends to proceed. They are likely to include a copy of their own N180 Directions Questionnaire which you can simply file.

Keep checking your MCOL history and when it says your N189 DQ has been sent, don't wait for it to arrive, just follow these instructions:

Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
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Thanks - nothing on MCOL history as yet. Hopefully they will not proceed to claim.

Received this in the post. Will just add to case and Google drive link for ref.

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Hi all received the attached letters today - I assume this means I need to undertake the above process and so will do this tomorrow.

Will add these to the Google drive link.




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Yes. Just continue to follow the advice. N180 DQ next followed by mediation call and then it will be allocation to your local county court and directions from the procedural judge with hearing date and deadlines.

Will be interesting to see the Witness Statement from the claimant which will be written by an employee of BW Legal and can be largely dismissed as hearsay.
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Had this email come through today from DCB legal -

Dear Sir/Madam,

 

DCB Legal write further to your recent email.

 

Please note, DCB Legal are unable to locate your file with the information provided.

 

To enable DCB Legal to locate your file and action your query accordingly, please provide the following;

 

• Full name
• First line address/postcode
• DCB Legal reference number

What would be my reference number?

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You've written to the wrong law firm, it is BW Legal who are involved in your case.

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Re: 3 Private parking tickets - being pursued for all 3 and had a CCJ claim made
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2025, 09:36:54 pm »
Hi, I haven't had  any correspondence back from BWlegal or the courts. But not entirely sure what to expect. What happens next ?

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Re: 3 Private parking tickets - being pursued for all 3 and had a CCJ claim made
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2025, 11:13:32 am »
When you sent the N180DQ form to the CNBC, did you copy in BW Legal? I know I put the wrong bulk litigators email address in my response, but it was pointed out in the next post.

It won't materially affect anything if you didn't send a copy to BW Legal. However, when you sent it, did you receive an auto-response email from the CNBC acknowledging receipt of the email?
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Re: 3 Private parking tickets - being pursued for all 3 and had a CCJ claim made
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2025, 03:41:00 pm »
Yes sent to BWLEGAL, copied CNBC and received the automated response!

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Re: 3 Private parking tickets - being pursued for all 3 and had a CCJ claim made
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2025, 01:15:35 pm »
Hi I've received the mediation appointment. Should I stick to the following gathered from another case:

"Before I set out my position, please confirm from the claimant’s side:

• the full name of the person attending for them;
• their role/position at their legal representative’s firm; and
• whether they hold written authority to negotiate and settle today.

Please relay that back to me before we continue.”

After the mediator calls back...

If identified and authority confirmed:

“Thank you. I’m content to proceed on that basis. My settlement offer is £0, or I invite the claimant to discontinue with no order as to costs.”

If no/unclear authority:

“Please record that the claimant’s attendee has not confirmed settlement authority. My position remains that liability is denied and my offer is £0, subject to prompt approval by an authorised solicitor if they choose to discontinue.”

All you need to know is the name and the position of the person acting for the claimant and report that back to us. It will be over within minutes. Complete waste of time otherwise.
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Re: 3 Private parking tickets - being pursued for all 3 and had a CCJ claim made
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2025, 04:09:17 pm »
Hi I've received the mediation appointment. Should I stick to the following gathered from another case:

Yes.
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