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I am the registered keeper, but I was not the driver and was not insured on the vehicle at the time the PCNs were issued.I gave my old car to my grandchild to use.
The car was being used by my grandchild. She parked on Tatton Crescent, London E5 9AG, a private road with red lines, managed by Private Parking Solutions London Ltd (PPS). She had verbal permission from a local shop manager to park there. The manager is not employed by PPS but he has a connection with them. The permission was understood to be for a limited period. however my grandchild believed this period was longer.
After that short period ended, I started receiving 10 PCNs by post as the registered keeper.

My grandchild showed the PCNs to the manager, who said he would deal with them. This continued for some time with no resolution. Around six months ago, my grandchild left the UK. I am still receiving letters, now from various debt collection companies.I note that different debt collection companies have been used for different groups of tickets.
How can I stop these letters?
Should I contact PPS and confirm I was not the driver (and not insured) at the time?

If I name the driver, could this cause any issues for my grandchild now that she is abroad (and if she comes back)?

Is it too late to challenge the PCNs?

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As these are over a year old there's not much you can do now. You could try naming your granddaughter, but then she would be liable, and with an overseas address I imagine they will just ignore it.  With the best part of £2k in play, I imagine they will eventually bring this to court.  Often these are discontinued, but again as there are 10, they may be more interested in pursuing it all the way to a hearing. Arguably the NTKs are not POFA compliant for transfer of liability (no period of parking, no invite to pay / name the driver) and the 'no parking' prohibition is incapable of forming a contract.

Just got to wait it out for a Letter of Claim, and then the court claim. They have 6 years to bring the claim - should you move in this time, make sure to notify them, the last thing you want is a claim going to an address you are not longer at, and them getting a default judgement.

You could try naming your granddaughter, but then she would be liable, and with an overseas address I imagine they will just ignore it.
If they do, then this would surely further strengthen the OP's defence, as the creditor would have been provided with the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver.

OP, is your grandchild permanently resident abroad?

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OP, is your grandchild permanently resident abroad?
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She has a contract for the next 2 years, and then she will decide...

Thanks for all replys



Just got to wait it out for a Letter of Claim, and then the court claim. They have 6 years to bring the claim - should you move in this time, make sure to notify them, the last thing you want is a claim going to an address you are not longer at, and them getting a default judgement.

I received the enclosed letter today. It says that it is a further letter in relation to a "Letter Before Claim" that they sent in May.

However, I can't find that earlier letter, and I don't remember receiving it.

Is this "Letter of claim"? Could you please advise me on what I should do now?

Thanks so much in advance.


« Last Edit: June 30, 2026, 01:46:26 pm by davi »

It's worth noting that the original PCNs are not PoFA compliant so liability cannot be moved onto the vehicle keeper.

You could write back to them and point this out.

It's worth noting that the original PCNs are not PoFA compliant so liability cannot be moved onto the vehicle keeper.

You could write back to them and point this out.
Thanks for the advice. As I wrote at the beginning of the post, I ignored all of their letters until now. From what I understand,  At this stage, the matter is no longer in the hands of the original company, and it's now too late to say that I wasn't the driver.

It's another sabre rattling attempt to get you to pay.  I would write back to say that you have not received the Letter Before Claim they refer to and ask them to re-send - you could include that you deny any liablity, as you were not the driver, and the original PCNs do not comply with the legislation to transfer liability.

It's another sabre rattling attempt to get you to pay.  I would write back to say that you have not received the Letter Before Claim they refer to and ask them to re-send - you could include that you deny any liablity, as you were not the driver, and the original PCNs do not comply with the legislation to transfer liability.

I prepared a draft, anything to add/delete?

"Thank you for your letter.

I have not received the Letter Before Claim referred to in your correspondence. Please would you re-send it so that I can review its contents.

For the avoidance of doubt, I deny any liability in relation to this matter. I was not the driver of the vehicle at the relevant time, and the original Parking Charge Notices do not comply with the statutory requirements necessary to transfer liability to the registered keeper.

I look forward to receiving a copy of the Letter Before Claim."

Looks good.

But understand, this is just part of the process.

I sent the email above and got their reply:

"We refer you to the provisions made within PoFA 2012 when transferring liability. To assist, PoFA states that the registered keeper must provide the drivers name and address to the parking operator, and pass the Notice of Keeper to the driver.
Accordingly, in order to transfer liability, please confirm the full name and UK serviceable address of the driver.

In addition, and in order for our Client to satisfy themselves as to the validity of the details provided, we kindly request the following information:

Proof of valid insurance confirming the nominated driver was insured to drive the vehicle at the time.
A copy of the nominated driver’s driving licence.
Kind Regards"

What should I reply? (as I wrote above, my granddaughter is not currently living in the UK, but she might come back, and I don't want to put her in trouble).
Thanks

Your main two options are:
  • Provide the name and service address for your daughter as the driver
  • Do not provide them

If you choose option #1:
  • Do not provide copies of her licence or insurance. These are not required by PoFA, whether or not their client is 'satisfied' is none of your concern.
  • They will either stop pursuing you, or carry on. If they carry on with proceedings against you, you would seem to have a clear defence.
  • They could in theory try to pursue your daughter. They would seem to have no hope of succeeding with this whilst she is resident abroad. If she did return to the UK, they would need to trace her.

If you choose option #2:
  • The number of charges involved, and the fact Gladstones are acting, means this would be likely to go all the way to a court hearing.
  • They claim their notices comply with PoFA, you claim the contrary. You could file a defence and Witness Statement on this point, and hope the judge agrees that the notices are non-compliant. You would either win or lose, and this would be the end to the matter.