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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Police Proceedings
« on: September 19, 2024, 02:22:10 pm »
Using your phone (hand held) as a camera while driving is an offence (Reg 110 of the 'Road Vehicles (Construction and use) regulations).

You were in a public place with no expectation of privacy and ostensibly committing a criminal offence, no issue with him taking photos.

You can certainly take the matter to court and put the police to proof but
1/ You seem to admit the offence
2/ The Police wouldn't have started a case without sufficient evidence (they are quite strict on 'operation snap' submissions).
So possibly not worth the risk of it costing far more (assuming you are offered an out of court settlement).

You seem to have stitched yourself up I'm afraid.

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So, what if I turn up in court and please no guilty

Charge- Was driving slowly 40-45 mph on the M69

Reason being: Request the prosecution to drop the case, as it's not in the public interest 

How will the judge react?

Yes, agree with me and throw the case out ( and I buy a winning lotto)
or
Laughs at me and sentences me to a hefty  fine or points or ban?
or
Says fine, let's have a date in the future, to argue why it's not in public interest?


Can I fight the case myself in court? Learn some law , I got an excellent memory and topped my batch of 92
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Well as you have already plead guilty you shouldn't turn up in court and try and reverse it but at least have the courtesy to not waste court time by doing it in advance.

The bench (probably not a judge for a magistrates court case) will 'laugh at you' (not literally) - you are meant to put it to the PROSECUTION (as what you wrote kind of tells you) and that should be done in advance of any hearing (and after you change your plea), the judge has nothing to do with it, once the full court hearings start the CPS are very unlikely to agree to drop it.

Yes of course you can DIY, whether you should or not still isn't clear.

This highlights why we asked questions and were hesitant to simply answer your question, most people don't understand what they are actually asking for which is why we try and establish what they should be asking (as opposed to are asking) first.

So why were you doing 40-45? How busy was it? Which lane were you in? All these are relevant to whether you SHOULD do what you COULD do.

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Non-motoring legal advice / Re: Natwest Closed Account
« on: September 19, 2024, 12:31:18 pm »
I'm not particularly bothered by them closing the accounts. I just want to be able to pay off the overdrafts somehow that were on them. I've read that Natwest sometimes sells off debts to third parties and who knows what sort of fees they might try to add on.
Which would be irrelevant really, even if they were to sue for the money (and you are outside jurisdiction) if you could show to the court you had tried to pay and NW made it impossible, the court wouldn't uphold a claim for any extra fees.

You could just post a cheque to NW company address for the sum of the two accounts with a covering letter (and keep evidence of sending)?

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So I’m looking for advice on how to appeal.
You don't, as you then correctly say you submit a statutory declaration which is NOT an appeal.

So I would plead not guilty to the charge of failure to notify on the basis I did not receive the notice sent.
What matters is not whether you didn't receive it but whether it was served or not, as a number of items of post (as least 3, more likely 4) were not received by you it suggests the Police did not have the correct address for you (despite what you say, as 4 items going missing is 'unlikely' I would suggest), perhaps you moved and forgot to update the V5c registration document address with the DVLA?

The speeding charge I was driving my son to hospital - can I plead not guilty? Or do I plead guilty and ask for mitigating circumstances?
Of course you can (and should currently) plead not guilty, whether you then continue that is a different matter, if the S172 notice was properly served (and you have to prove it wasn't) you will currently be found guilty of the more onerous S172 offence, as such offering to plead guilty to the speeding (when you can't then offer a defence) in exchange for the S172 being dropped seems the pragmatic option.

Driving your son to hospital is, of itself' meaningless unless you are suggesting it was some form of an emergency, obviously to a routine appointment is no different top driving to a book shop.

There was a driving ban issued on the same day the points were added to my license but it’s not mentioned in the paperwork supplied in the email but is shown on my license online  - driving ban due to totting up of points
Very unfortunate, this is where applying online is going to probably be bad, if you contact the court in person and speak to someone you may get your hearing expedited, whatever you put in an online application will probably not be looked at until it reaches the front of the queue - in some time from now.

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There's no law against driving slowly
Well there is (obvious if you read the HC - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/know-your-traffic-signs/speed-limit-signs), but it wouldn't apply here, but like many things are not against a specific law, they fall under the blanket of driving without due care and attention or without reasonable consideration for other road users contrary to section 3 of the Road Traffic Act 1988. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/3

For example there is no law against overtaking straight into another car, but it is almost certainly careless or dangerous driving.

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not sure why police asks for the details the 2nd time to assign points
Because the legislation says they have to.

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Well it would help if you explained exactly what you are trying to achieve first.
1/ mitigation to reduce the sentence based on your guilty plea - in which case doing yourself is usually best as you a professional is unlikely to save what they cost you
2/ reverse your guilty plea and defend the allegation, in which case what defence do you think you have?
3/ something else

Do you even know (as opposed to thinking you know) why you want help?

Not Leamington based but with an excellent reputation for no-nonsense help and sensible prices is Bobby Bell of BB law. https://www.bb-law.co.uk/

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Private parking tickets / Re: PCN in Scotland
« on: September 17, 2024, 02:34:37 pm »
CEL have no jurisdiction to make a clam in Scotland.
It's the court that has any jurisdiction - not a claimant, CEL certainly have standing to make a claim in Scotland (assuming their claim it meets the requirements to bring  court action). Not sure why you think otherwise?

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If you plead guilty what exactly are you going to ‘fight it out in court’, the court hearing will be for sentencing only. Legal representation costing £500 plus doesn’t really look like value for money on that basis.

What you would have been sent was a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) not some other concocted title you make up. If you were sent that I’m wondering what you put in ‘mitigation’ that has suggested to them your case isn’t suitable for sentencing by the single justice, it seems unlikely they would be considering a ban if you were offered a COFP, but hard to tell.

As for comments about other cases, you are accused of committing a crime which you agreed you committed (unless the ‘mitigation’ you presented amounted to a defence) which isn’t imprisonable (so no early releases to get you a bed for the night), so doesn’t seem at all relevant unless you just wanted to rant?

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One thought, are you insured on the car? Or do you have valid ‘drive other vehicle’ cover on your insurance? It may be you are not showing as insured.

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So to be clear, your sister sent in your details, name and address (and DL number - though not a legal requirement) and the Police are questioning it?

Are you perhaps female and the mechanic (who perhaps they can see driving) male or vice versa? Otherwise I can see no reason why they did that, usually that letter is sent in response to a known 'NIP farm' details being given.

If she gave YOUR correct details then all she can do is reply saying they are correct and that the car was loaned to you as keeper and that you will be in a position to name yourself or some other person as driver.



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Please edit (Modify button) that post immediately so as not to give away the driver ID, refer to what 'the driver' did with no I, we, he of even the dog.

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Realistically, given that this was 5 weeks ago
Yet...
He "swears it didn't reduce show the reduced limit"
There in lies the problem!

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As it's a work vehicle I'll advise him to check with work to see if the first NIP was received within 14 days.
Don't forget the company may lease the vehicle and not be the registered keeper, it's when the registered keeper were served it that matters.

there's no grounds to appeal
As pointed out before, it is NOT 'appeal' it's having a defence, there is no 'appeal' at this stage.

Generally speaking, is it worth pursuing to see the evidence and whether the device was calibrated recently?
As no calibration is needed to convict, the lack of one wouldn't help him.

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not sure if "Registered Driver" is a formal term or just the office having his name scribbled in their paper logbook.
The latter, there is no 'register' of drivers, it's just their own record.

As above, he can contest the allegation by allowing it to progress to court but that would be foolish unless a potential defence has been identified.

He can contact the Safety camera team and ask for a copy of photos "to help confirm the driver's ID", not demanding 'evidence' which he's not entitled to at this stage, if they supply photos and it was a HADECS3 device it will show the gantry and limit he's accused of transgressing.


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