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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: BRENT PCN - Blue Badge fallen down near car pedal
« on: December 02, 2025, 11:54:10 pm »
Dear Sir

I am writing again to understadn options available to me after council issued 'charge certificate' but no letter of rejections of representations received. Can we made another representation?

Chronology of events:
24-Jun-25: PCN issued (valid pay ticket or voucher not displayed)
25-Jun-25:Representation submitted (blue badge slipped and fallen to the car floor)
15-Oct-2025: NTO sent.  The letter of rejections not received
21-Oct-25 : Anther representation sent by post to council PO Box address mentioning non-receipt of the 'letter of rejection'.
20-Nov-25 : Charge Certificate sent, PCN priced increased by 50%, mentioning that there is no representation of appeal at the charge certificate stage.

Again, no letter of rejections sent by the council.

happy to provide other information if requried.

Kind regards


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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: BRENT PCN - Blue Badge fallen down near car pedal
« on: October 15, 2025, 05:57:37 pm »
Quote from: H C Andersen on October 15, 2025, 03:17:01 pm
Their website:

14/10/2025 04:00 NTO/Enforcement Notice Issued
13/09/2025 14:50 Discount Period Reset
13/09/2025 14:50 Rejected Representation - Discount Period Reset

Would suggest a rejection was issued on 13 Sept.

Pl review the details of your online challenge to check the address.

Are you the registered keeper and is the BB yours?  (I know you might have answered this in your other thread, but each thread should be self contained)

Rejection issued but never received. this will be tricky to establish.
Double checked, both name and address matches. I am the Registered keeper + driver and BB is in the name of my disabled mother. Vehicle is solely used to transport her.
the blue badge might have falled down due to force when closing the door and car boot with force, after removing wheelchair from the carboot to transport my mother.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Haringey PCN - CEO failed to notice displayed blue badge
« on: October 15, 2025, 02:58:53 pm »
Quote from: H C Andersen on October 15, 2025, 12:59:57 pm
OP, stop doing it.

The BB Guidance

How to display the badge

You must display the badge on the dashboard or facia panel, where it can be clearly read through the front windscreen.

The Regulations
Manner in which a badge is to be displayed
12.  For the purposes of section 21(4A) of the 1970 Act a disabled person’s badge is displayed on a vehicle in the prescribed manner if–

(a)the badge is exhibited on the dashboard or facia of the vehicle, or

(b)where the vehicle is not fitted with a dashboard or facia, the badge is exhibited in a conspicuous position on the vehicle,

so that the front of the badge is clearly legible from the outside of the vehicle.

Many thanks Sir.
Technically, which area of the car is termed as "car fascia panel"?  The google images suggested "steering wheel area" and "the audio system controller" area as "car fascia panel", henceforth I started displaying BB in those areas only after incident in June'25.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascia_(car)

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Haringey PCN - CEO failed to notice displayed blue badge
« on: October 15, 2025, 02:49:55 pm »
Quote from: Incandescent on October 15, 2025, 12:38:40 pm
OK, so yes, the BB was displayed, and yes, it seems as if the CEO didn't look very much, but the question is why you displayed the BB in that place instead of on top of the dash like everybody else does. If you'd displayed in the "traditional" way, you'd have avoided all this hassle.

Indeed Sir, totally agree with you which I used to do always.  However, earlier this year in June, unfortunately, the BB fallen down on car floor due to the force when door was shut which went unnoticed. PCN was issued and representation was made immediately. Today I received NTO in post on which I started a new thread.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/brent-pcn-blue-badge-fallen-down-near-car-pedal/

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / BRENT PCN - Blue Badge fallen down near car pedal
« on: October 15, 2025, 02:46:12 pm »

Dear experts

I am seeking guidance from experts to get PCN BT25726658 cancelled issued for VRN - HV14 CXT on 14-Oct-2025, detailed below.

How whole event unfolded:
on 24-Jun-2025, Car parked on Uxendon crescent HA9 and blue badge displayed on the car front dashboard
Unfortunately, due to force and air when door was shut, the blue badge fallen down near the car pedal - i didnt realise
Original PCN was issued on 24-Jun-2025
PCN was challenged online on 25-Jun-25, requesting for cancellation and provided proof of blue badge
No response received in post till 14-Oct-2025
Surprisingly NTO was issued requesting for full PCN charge

Please could you suggest what options are available to me to challenge the PCN.


Location:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/28fRPnQYaWXRVgJRA

Acknowledgement email for Representation:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sXv6jeKdEqv5PzAQqcXXST3goANf2msm/view?usp=sharing

NTO issued on 14-Oct-25:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1upZ-H0mgFu2eV-8xoINKYBFkfSmhdTe9/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18rlxb7cOpij1993JHRqTjRdOwKjy0gVQ/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W2skSufQZLJYIPuIPgmFIY0QLVzqKG5e/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vb5BprBfGuTBhBX1Wj14kZD7OFTUPbRe/view?usp=sharing


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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Haringey PCN - CEO failed to notice displayed blue badge
« on: October 15, 2025, 12:17:42 pm »
Quote from: Ams on October 15, 2025, 09:41:45 am
Quote from: H C Andersen on October 15, 2025, 09:26:00 am
Thanks. And the 'registered keeper' is you, yes?
Yes
i will post picture later today showing how BB was usually displayed on steering wheel.

Attached pictures taken in supermarket carpark to show how BB are displayed on the steering wheel..

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LnGk6MEDGb6gLoLPb7h-ji9o2oufkIbt/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oqZqygl6UcYbWY53ZKByFPGTZIOYVkO1/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Qvj5yTFaxquBD_1oHhmmUdTHg87vVUO3/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16B0H6oSgh9iHrYNloo_p8T06vRqXdsEB/view?usp=sharing

Happy to provide any other details as required.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Haringey PCN - CEO failed to notice displayed blue badge
« on: October 15, 2025, 09:41:45 am »
Quote from: H C Andersen on October 15, 2025, 09:26:00 am
Thanks. And the 'registered keeper' is you, yes?
Yes
i will post picture later today showing how BB was usually displayed on steering wheel.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Haringey PCN - CEO failed to notice displayed blue badge
« on: October 14, 2025, 11:09:32 pm »
Quote from: H C Andersen on October 14, 2025, 09:16:41 am
OP, 'The attached link doesn’t specify any parking restrictions in Haringey borough for the blue badge holders'.

It does, in reverse i.e.Blue badge holders can park in Haringey for an unlimited amount of time in a:

resident permit holder bay
resident permit holder shared-use bay (resident permit and pay by phone)
permit holder bay
permit holder shared-use bay (permit holder and pay by phone)

As soon as you post the NTO we'll be able to see the alleged contravention. Pl do not jump to conclusions when you don't have facts. Yes, in all probability the issue revolves around visibility of the BB, but one step at a time IMO.


I cannot find the NTO. Also pl confirm it's addressed to you by name.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Jjt-TdlO9DLf4q4JirTh25Xt1UG5F2Lr/view?usp=sharing -
copy of NTO, addressed to the registered owner of the vehicle.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Haringey PCN - CEO failed to notice displayed blue badge
« on: October 13, 2025, 09:51:00 pm »

Dear experts

I am seeking guidance from experts to cancel the PCN ZN18284314 wrongly issued for VRN - HV14 CXT on 05-Sept-2025, detailed below.

•   I parked the car on Pretoria road, N17, around 5:30pm on 05-Sept-2025, the event day, and displayed blue badge on the steering wheel dashboard / car fascia panel (validity screen sticking out of steering wheel) which was clearly visible from both the driver seat and the passenger seat side.
•   I am not a resident of Haringey council borough
•   Upon return around 10:30pm, No PCN was found attached to the windscreen
•   Surprisingly, on 10-Oct-2025, I received the attached PCN in post.

Few key submission points to challenge the PCN:
•   The displayed blue badge on steering wheel was easily visible to any person from the side of the car which the CEO 585 failed to notice.  On Haringey council website, the proof of PCN shows only the front and rear view of car. No pictures of car fascia dashboard (visible from the side of the car) were attached to the PCN
•   The UK Government guidance states “You must display the badge on the dashboard or facia panel, where it can be clearly read through the front windscreen. If there is no dashboard or facia panel in your vehicle, you must display the badge in a place where it can be clearly read from outside the vehicle.” (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-blue-badge-scheme-rights-and-responsibilities-in-england/the-blue-badge-scheme-rights-and-responsibilities-in-england)
•   I didn’t find the PCN attached to the windscreen, likely passerby might have removed them from the vehicle
•   Attached is the copy of valid blue badge
•   The attached link doesn’t specify any parking restrictions in Haringey borough for the blue badge holders (https://haringey.gov.uk/parking/parking-permits/disabled/Blue-Badge/where-you-can-park)


Please could you suggest what options are available to me to challenge the PCN.
Honestly, I am at a loss when passerby removes the PCN from windscreen and when CEO fails to take picture from all angle including the side view.
Unfortunately, on the day, I didn’t take the picture of displayed blue badge to provide evidence as there was not PCN attached. Else, I would have taken pictures to safeguard myself.


Location:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/YvCCWypfyopT68hU8



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Private parking tickets / Re: APCOA,Parking on Yellow or Hatched lines, Northwick Park Hospital
« on: December 25, 2023, 02:30:44 pm »
Dear Forum members

To bring transparency and clarity, listed below all events in the chronological order related to this APCOA PCN. All relevant letters, in chronological order, can be found within one zip file attached.

The passenger – Patient, the elderly Lady
Registered keeper – data from DVLA record

07-Sept-23 : PCN affixed on the windscreen of the vehicle with an option to pay £30 (reduced charge) or dispute by making an appeal within 28 days i.e. 05-Oct-23(?). Full charge is £60.
21-Sept-23 : The Patient (elderly lady), passenger in the vehicle submitted the representation (attached separately again)
03-Oct-23 : Representation rejected, communication sent to the Representor (The Patient) with an option to pay reduced charge of £30 in 14 days i.e. 17-Oct-23 (?) or full charge of £60 after 14 days OR appeal to POPLA within 28 days i.e. 31-Oct-23 (?). Full charge payable if appealed to POPLA. If do nothing, recover monies via debt recovery and proceed with Court action
03-Nov-23 : Notice to Keeper (NTK) of the vehicle issued to RK (registered keeper) in hard copy with an option to dispute within 28 days i.e. 30-Nov-23 (?) or pay £60.
23-Nov-23 : RK submitted disputed charge via online
23-Nov-23 : APCOA confirmed receipt of appeal with response within 35days i.e. 27-Dec-23 (?)
14-Dec-23 : Debt Recovery Plus notice issued in the name of the Patient for £130 (including an unexplained additional charge of £70) with an option to pay in full or in 4 installments by 28-Dec-23 OR go legal to court.
25-Dec-23 : No correspondence received from APCOA yet by RK against the appeal submitted on 23-Nov-23 by RK

Happy to add details where required.

Many thanks.

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Private parking tickets / Re: APCOA,Parking on Yellow or Hatched lines, Northwick Park Hospital
« on: December 22, 2023, 07:53:04 pm »
Quote from: DWMB2 on November 23, 2023, 10:25:55 pm
Let us know when they reply (and what with). Keep an eye on your spam emails, and if they don't reply in the time allowed, chase them up.

Attached the DEBT management letter we received in the name of the passenger and not the driver.

APCOA didn't issue the new POPLA code as requested by us.

What would be our next course of action ?

Many thanks for your help in advance.

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Private parking tickets / Re: APCOA,Parking on Yellow or Hatched lines, Northwick Park Hospital
« on: December 16, 2023, 10:22:47 am »
Quote from: DWMB2 on November 23, 2023, 10:25:55 pm
Let us know when they reply (and what with). Keep an eye on your spam emails, and if they don't reply in the time allowed, chase them up.

We are yet to receive response from the APCOA, it's been 3 weeks since 23-Nov and still counting.
We regularly checking emails (incl SPAM) and posts and will keep doing so.

The latest status available online (https://pcnpayments.apcoa.co.uk/pcnonline/step2.php), as below :

"This Charge Notice has now been passed to an Enforcement Agent and therefore payment cannot be accepted on this website. Payment must be made directly to the Enforcement Agent and you must refer to any correspondance you have received from them on how payment can be made."


Though the system generated response on 23-Nov upon submission of Appeal :

Dear xxxxx,
Thank you for submitting your challenge/appeal to PCN/ECN reference: NP80008661. A copy of your submission is attached for your records.

Your case will be placed on hold and will not progress in accordance with our procedure.

If you have challenged your notice within 14 days from the date of the notice, the case will not increase in cost whilst it is on hold.

PLEASE DO NOT MAKE PAYMENT WHILST YOUR CASE IS UNDER REVIEW.
Your appeal will be considered and a response sent to you via email within 35 days from submission date. Duplicate submission of emails or appeals may result in delay in responding to your appeal.


Yours sincerely"

Regards

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Private parking tickets / Re: APCOA,Parking on Yellow or Hatched lines, Northwick Park Hospital
« on: November 23, 2023, 07:15:09 pm »
Quote from: DWMB2 on November 22, 2023, 11:38:26 am
If the driver hasn't been identified then APCOA would seem to have unwittingly given you as the keeper a potential lifeline, as they would seem not to have complied with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act (there's a link in my signature at the bottom of each page), and are therefore unable to recover the charge from you as the keeper.

You could therefore appeal as the keeper, along the lines of the below:

Dear Sirs,

I have received your Parking Charge Notice (Ref: ______) for vehicle registration mark _______, in which you allege that the driver has incurred a parking charge. I note from your correspondence that you are not seeking to hold me liable as the registered keeper, under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. There is no obligation for me to name the driver and I will not be doing so. I am therefore unable to help you further with this matter, and look forward to your confirmation that the charge has been cancelled. If you choose to decline this appeal, you must issue a POPLA code.

Yours,


Posted online.

Many thanks for your help and support thus far.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
« on: November 23, 2023, 07:04:21 pm »
Quote from: Ams on October 29, 2023, 09:19:51 pm
Many thanks.
Emailed TFL as directed.
While submitting representation, noticed the PCN on hold till 08-Nov-23, snipped below.

---------------------------------------------
PCN status history
24 October 2023On Hold: SUS54 - DTES Footage Request (08/11/2023)
N/A

17 October 2023On Hold: SUS54 - DTES Footage Request (01/11/2023)
N/A

03 October 2023PCN Batched
N/A
---------------------------------------------


Have submitted below alongwith relevant clinical letters as evidences (with PCN number and name). The representation reference number - 48234143.


Dear Enforcement Officer

Sub : Challenging the PCN Ref no – xxxx against contravention date 30-Sept-23 at 16:07 hrs.

I am challenging the PCN : xxxx issued by the Transport of London in which I was issued with a 160 pounds penalty charge for having stopped my car at 16:07 on 30-Sept-2023 at O/S 79-87 Kingsland Road, E2

I make the representation on the following grounds :

1 – Exceptional Circumstances :
The reason why I have stopped my car to bring my mother, Ms xxxx,  to the toilet in the Local Vietnamese restaurant located at the place of the alleged contravention, as she was not feeling well.
She recently had a brain stroke suffers from hypertension, is occasionally incontinent due to chronic constipation. Her indwelling catheter bag filled up completely.
Attached is the hospital discharge letter from the Stroke team and the Fraility team (constipation) and the “No Waiting” card alongwith the InDwelling Cathetar passport to use the Toilet Urgently

2 – Blue Badge Holder
I stopped the car within the designated area allowed for the Blue Badge (attached) Holder to park the car which was left on the dashboard.

In light of the foregoing, I respectfully ask the Enforcement Officer to allow this representation and cancel the PCN.

Thanks for your time.

Regards
xxxx

Dear Sir

This PCN has been cancelled now.

Many thanks for your support and guidance.
Much appreciated.

Regards


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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
« on: November 23, 2023, 08:27:29 am »
Quote from: cp8759 on November 22, 2023, 11:28:55 pm
Quote from: Ams on November 21, 2023, 11:16:50 pm
We are in receipt of FOI response, please refer to the attached file in text and picture.
The obvious next step is to take this to the Information Commissioner's Office, it would be easier if I did that on your behalf. Would you be happy for me to do so?

Yes Please. Any specific information would you need from me

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