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Adjudicators are usually very strict on these - following other vehicles is not a defence unless there is some kind of incident or blockage that is reasonably beyond your control.

See this one where we think there is case owing to some kind of accident and police presence. In the thread you'll see I posted a decision and video where you would have thought there's a good case but t was refused. But adjudicators can differ of course.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/barnet-council-pcn-38l-failing-to-comply-with-a-sign-indicating-that-vehiculartr/

Thank you - i am checking the details of the case you referred.

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Just goes to show that until one sees the video, one can only rely on the OPs version of events. It's only right at the end of the video, when the van moves off, that one see the queue of traffic behind it which the OP passed at speed.
Yes, a definite lose at London Tribunals unless the OP can tell us more.


on the approach 2 cars were struck behind the van on hazard and all were stopped behind the van - but there were more cars on front of me over taking the stopped vehicle behind the van on hazard - so i continued as them.


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The video shows that you were never 'struck behind a stopped vehicle' but that you approached the width restriction at speed and on the wrong side of the road. Do you have evidence which counters what the video shows?
I agree completely with HCA. I don't think the OPs argument will stand any scrutiny and an adjudicator will see what I see on the video. An impatient driver.
The OP approached the scene on the wrong side of the road after passing one or more stationary car/s behind the van and also passed a previous traffic island again on the wrong side of the road

edit... stamf beat me to it
Thank you

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I think you'll be paying this. Looks like you overtook a queue while the van driver was wondering what to do (and seems to have also opted to take the PCN).



Thanks

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The video shows that you were never 'struck behind a stopped vehicle ' but that you approached the width restriction at speed and on the wrong side of the road. Do you have evidence which counters what the video shows?
Thank You.

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Please to post all sides of the PCN. redacting only yr name & address.

Thank you and posting it in a min

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Agree with Incandescent. On your approach you wouldn't be able to see the blue arrow. And most likely not the width restriction either.

Thank you.

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Well, how would you have seen the blue arrow sign with the van blocking the way ? The contravention did not occur, but you'll inevitably have to take them to London Tribunals for a decision your way.

Thank You.

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Dear all  :)

got this PCN from redbridge while i was struck behind a stopped vehicle and kindly see the image and advice if i could appeal on the basis of van blocking the barriers.

Contravention date: Saturday, 12 Oct 2024 13:41

Contravention: Failing to comply with a sign indicating that vehicular traffic must pass to the specified side of the sign

Street: OVERTON DRIVE; WANSTEAD
Location:

Status: Penalty Charge Notice Posted




https://youtu.be/VK_m4aDn7IE


Thank you for your time and looking into this.

KR

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@DWMB2 and @b789

NEWs News

hotel agrees to cancel it right away. i hope it really does otherwise i will be back.

Have a great day!

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If the hotel don't get this cancelled, here is what is going to happen...

It is too late to try any appeal and it has been passed to DRP+ who MUST NOT be engaged with. They are useless and powerless debt collectors and cannot do anything. Ignore all debt collector rubbish. At some stage, DCB Legal will become involved and when they issue a Letter of Claim (LoC) please show us and a suitable response will be provided.

DCB Legal will issue claim on behalf of ECP and it must be responded to. Again, when the N1SDT claim form arrives from the CNBC, show us the "issue date" and the Particulars of Claim (PoC) and a suitable defence will be provided.

There will be a few more steps such as submitting an N180 Directions Questionnaire (DQ) but that will most likely be all. What will happen next is that they will either have claim struck out or they will discontinue. Discontinuations tend to happen very late in the process, usually just. before they have to pay the trial fee. If it does drag on until then, a Witness Statement may have to be prepared but, again, we can help with that.

No one pays ECP if they follow the advice. This has a 99% chance that it will be struck out or discontinued.

Thank you.

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Sorry to hear about your health issues.

As a first step before we go on to any challenges etc., have you spoken to the hotel about this? If not, you should do this now, ideally speaking to a manager, to ask them to intervene directly with Euro Car Parks. Be polite but firm and try not to let them fob you off with "Send an appeal to ECP". I don't mean for this to sound crass, but mentioning your age and health issues may help elicit some sympathy from Premier Inn, too.

will be contacting them today. Thanks you very much for prompt response @DWMB2

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Hi everyone,

I'm hoping to get some advice regarding a PCN I received during stay at Premier Inn, and I'm not sure how to approach it. Here are the details:

In July 2024, I stayed at Premier Inn in Wolvinston, Billingham, and as per the hotel’s policy, I registered my vehicle’s registration details with them. Despite following the process, I was still issued a PCN for parking. I have a bank statement that shows I paid for my stay, proving I was a legitimate guest at the time the PCN was issued.

To make matters worse, I didn't receive the PCN until recently because it was delivered to an upstairs flat in my building that has been vacant for nearly a year. The property owner moved to Pakistan, and the flat is currently up for sale. I only found out about the PCN on 17/09/2024 when someone from upstairs handed it to my carer. So, I wasn’t able to respond in time.

I also want to mention that I have significant health issues that limit my mobility, including 3 heart attacks, 3 strokes, a spinal injury, a broken hip joint, gout, glaucoma, and recently, a cancer diagnosis. As a pensioner with these serious health conditions, this situation has added a lot of stress, and financially, the fine is really burdensome.

I’m hoping to challenge the PCN on the grounds that I registered my car at the hotel, but I’m unsure how to word my appeal, especially with the delay in receiving the notice.

Has anyone had a similar experience or any advice on how to word my appeal effectively? Any tips would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance for your help!

Best regards,
John

( i am carer of John) and seeking help on his behalf








only evidence available to me of booking are a text message from a friend suggesting to book hotel and hotel payment transaction in the bank as showings below.



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Where he resides should have no bearing on whether he is offered a course or not, it's where the offence is committed that matters.

Thanks @FuzzyDuck

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