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Hi team, Looking for advice on PCN from Havering this week (34J Driving in bus Lane within the restricted period).

Penalty Notice HG62102538
Location: New Road A1306 | Philip Road RM13
Date: 21/06/2-25 Time 19:17
Date of notice 18/07/2025Web code: 163YP975

On Video car crosses bus lane at very end of lane markings. New Road/Phillips Road has long bus lane. End of the lane is mismatch of markings and traffic lights. Road markings, as pass last set of lights (where PCN  issued) have hazard (zig zag) lines that replace the bus lane. After these lights, the zig zag lines turn back into a short section of solid white line. There are no signs to say bus lane or hours of operation apart from a small section of solid white line that ends around 50 meters after traffic lights. There is no notice that a bus lane starts again, but there is an end of bus lane sign, and arrows in the road that draw your attention, demarking ability to turn left (at end of bus lane) or stay ahead.

My car only entered the bus lane fully for very last part of film (maybe less than 20m). I'm wondering if this is a minor demine or invalid due to poor signage. Havering do not allow any discounts if appeal (formally) when PCN delivered to address by post.

I was wondering if worth appealing?

Many thanks
« Last Edit: July 25, 2025, 01:21:24 pm by BADPCN »

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Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
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Please post all sides of the PCN (olt redact yr name & address - leave all else in),
the video
and
a GSV link to the location.

For guidance on posting images and docs see
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
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Hi team,
Enclosed attachments re: PCN, Videos and Photo's

Location Map:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5231526,0.1801538,3a,75y,335.45h,81.82t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sibKw0Ox1LT9NYylc6eztaw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D8.17616178288094%26panoid%3DibKw0Ox1LT9NYylc6eztaw%26yaw%3D335.44883639376224!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDcyMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

just trying to establish if lack of signage after the traffic lights and road markings make a case for appeal along with the fact its such a minor diminutive incident (guess the councils love these!!)   

Thanks

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Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
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Ok. Back later with a draft. Won 2 cases a few months ago re this location.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
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Thank you !

Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
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BEFORE you do a pdf, please screenshot their grounds page as this is important. It may well include wrong grounds.

Dear Havering

I make this informal challenge against the PCN.

1. The video shows no evidence of a BUS LANE legend and any signs allegedly passed.

2. The alleged incursion, if any, is de minimis non curat lex.

Considering the above please cancel the said PCN.

IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
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Thank you. Understood. I'll keep the thread posted for any updates. Many thanks for taking the time its greatly appreciated!

Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
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When they reject, get back to us and just keep going. I have not lost a bus lane case yet in the last 3/4 years.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
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Hello Hippocrates, you helped me to appeal to the council regarding the very same issue. I have received a reply from Havering Council.

To recap, the car swung into the bus lane as I entered the A1306 from the A13. Wen I realised it was a bus lane I moved over. How do I attach their reply?

Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
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.. . I have received a reply from Havering Council.
. . .
 How do I attach their reply?


You don't attach see this the instructions for posting images here:
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

especially the bit about using BBCodes:

Quote

    3. Post the PCN and all subsequent notices or correspondence.
The easiest way is to take pictures with your phone. There is no upload space on this site so you will have to upload to a picture hosting site (such as https://imgur.com or similar) and post links

    You can use the "add image" icon to embed images in your post:

    [img width=1100 height=88.9921875]https://i.imgur.com/SsopDuF.png[/img]

    However if you are using imgur (our preferred option), once you've uploaded an image to the site you can use the share link option to copy the BB codes:

    [img width=621.9921875 height=450]https://i.imgur.com/zSNsBUj.png[/img]

    [img width=400 height=423.9921875]https://i.imgur.com/bsVQkU7.png[/img]

    You can then paste that into your post and the image will be embedded into the post, just as all the images in this post have been. If copying the BB link from imgur you must not use the "add image" button, you just paste the link directly into your post.

See also DWMB2's post here
https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/image-links-not-working/

Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
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Thank you

Please see attached :)

Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
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I don't think imgur is working.. Anyone?

Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
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I don't think imgur is working.. Anyone?

try ibb.co

Re: Havering Rainham Road A1306
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Hello Hippocrates, you helped me to appeal to the council regarding the very same issue. I have received a reply from Havering Council.

To recap, the car swung into the bus lane as I entered the A1306 from the A13. Wen I realised it was a bus lane I moved over. How do I attach their reply?
Better to post in your own thread rather than hijacking this one.
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/havering-bus-lane-new-road-phillip-road-rm13-7159/msg79936/#msg79936