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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
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Quote from: Incandescent on February 01, 2025, 11:11:41 pm
The law is that one can pay the discount at any time within the discount period despite submitting a representation.  So if Havering are saying on their documents that if you submit reps you are not entitled to the discount they are wrong in law, and need to be dragged over the coals on this.

I don't know is this answers your comment - from 22 July Havering Council removed the opportunity of the 50% discount  if appeal overturned
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Second PM sent as a reply. We need to get on with this.
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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
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Quote from: Haveringresident on February 02, 2025, 11:13:11 am
Quote from: Incandescent on February 01, 2025, 11:11:41 pm
The law is that one can pay the discount at any time within the discount period despite submitting a representation.  So if Havering are saying on their documents that if you submit reps you are not entitled to the discount they are wrong in law, and need to be dragged over the coals on this.

I don't know is this answers your comment - from 22 July Havering Council removed the opportunity of the 50% discount  if appeal overturned
Not really. A case in Nottingham some years ago went to the adjudicators because the recipient sent in an appeal, then attempted to pay the discount before the discount period expired, and was prevented from doing so on the payment entry screen. The appeal at TPT was won, and the adjudicator stated that there was the absolute right in law to pay the discount within the discount period irrespective of any representations having been submitted. Havering cannot override laws approved by Parliament. 

So what do the Havering PCNs say ?
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Havering PCNs are all over the place as is their website. Needs a JR application. More important now is to sort this one out asap. Appeal filed. Used the appeal form as guidance.  :D  :o  ::)
« Last Edit: February 02, 2025, 02:41:29 pm by Hippocrates »
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There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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I have a forthcoming review hearing with the Chief Adjudicator shortly. 17th.

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/suggested-meeting-for-members-at-furnival-street-next-wednesday-12th-andor-17th/msg57080/#msg57080

Drinks are on me.  ;D Some straight talking will take place. Politely, of course.

This case is on 25th. Not only but also. PCNs are not right, website is not right. Wednesbury unreasonable. Then they send the wrong appeal form. Victor Meldrew stuff. "I don't believe it!"
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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The plot thickens. And yet another member has had their PCN cancelled due to“ PCN letter incorrect wording”.

I am reminded of The Nolan Principles.  ::)

   
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Well, two important documents have not been adduced.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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« Last Edit: March 24, 2025, 11:53:32 am by Hippocrates »
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Sanguine Purgatory! More work to do.  :-X
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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When I get this extra stuff done, I will be able to deal with some other cases today.  ;D

There was no NOR, no TMO and no formal reps. adduced by the council. Deary me. ::)
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I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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 ;D
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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Email received from Tribunal. Appeal allowed. Finally, after 10 months!!
Thanks @Hippocrates  for getting this through successfully. 😄😄
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My absolute pleasure as ever. cp will be along soon with the outcome.  ;D
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I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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