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towing a car
« on: September 04, 2024, 11:52:13 am »
If a car has no tax or MOT, can it be towed with a towbar?  ie all four wheels on the ground?

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Re: towing a car
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2024, 01:00:13 pm »
No. It's still a car being used on the road.

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Re: towing a car
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2024, 06:31:44 pm »
it needs to be on a trailer

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Re: towing a car
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2024, 07:24:29 pm »
Thank you for your replies.

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Re: towing a car
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2024, 07:40:25 pm »
Why is it being towed and to where ?

If that would be covered by the no MOT exemption then surely it can still be towed.

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Re: towing a car
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2024, 12:21:12 am »
If the car has had for instance the engine removed, it cannot be "used" on the road as it cannot be driven under its own power. MoT is irrelevant, certain vehicles such as anything registered before 1st January 1960 are exempt from annual testing. I've towed and had the sometimes dubious pleasure of being the person steering a towed vehicle.

One notable instance was being involved in towing a 1927 Sentinel steam waggon from Derbyshire to south London with a vintage tram body on the back. te towing lorry was a 1948 Scammell tractor unit known as DKY. It was the middle of winter, the original intention was to jut use the Sentinel and drive it, but the coal miners had gone on strike so it hat to be towed along the M1 at 33 mp, top speed of the Scammell. Sentinel lighting was a couple of those old red oil lamps that used to be scattered around road works. On the way back the Met's finest stopped us just before Scratchwood Services and suggested we didn't use the motorway. the driver of the Scammell invited them to escort us to our destination in Leicestershire but they declined and let us go on our way at 33 mph! Maybe the law has changed since then on towing disabled vehicles. Most insurance policies seem to cover the towing of one disable motor vehicle on a rope or bar. the use of a towbar would depend on the brake force of the vehicle doing the towing. On a bit of rope hopefully the towed vehicle would have working brakes.
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Re: towing a car
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2024, 04:34:43 pm »
If it were towed with an A-frame (with linked brakes) then according to dot Gov the A-frame and vehicle combination is treated in legislation as a trailer. A trailer doesn't require MOT or tax, but has to be roadworthy.


https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-frames-and-dollies/a-frames-and-dollies


I suspect it would be easier to put it on a trailer than fit an A-frame though.

(And if it were any distance, something would need to be done to prevent gearbox damage, like removing the prop shaft.)
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Re: towing a car
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2024, 04:57:49 pm »
If it were towed with an A-frame (with linked brakes) then according to dot Gov the A-frame and vehicle combination is treated in legislation as a trailer. A trailer doesn't require MOT or tax, but has to be roadworthy.


https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-frames-and-dollies/a-frames-and-dollies


I suspect it would be easier to put it on a trailer than fit an A-frame though.

(And if it were any distance, something would need to be done to prevent gearbox damage, like removing the prop shaft.)
But that linked guidance goes on to say "The information in this guidance relates solely to the construction requirements for vehicles. Readers should ensure that they are aware of, and comply with, all relevant requirements on other aspects of vehicle use (driver licensing, vehicle excise duty, insurance etc)."

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Re: towing a car
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2024, 05:28:21 pm »
It does, but it is dot Gov, and frequently successive paragraphs appear to contradict each other.


I interpret "other aspects of vehicle use" to mean other than use as a trailer, but I am not a legal expert, and I don't know of any case law.


Cynically, I understand that the intent of HMG is to maximise the amount of revenue collected, so they would wish the vehicle that is legally a trailer to be taxed, but trailers don't have to be taxed.....

It would be displaying the registration of the vehicle towing it, too, which might be a problem with ANPR.....

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Re: towing a car
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2024, 05:59:47 pm »
It does, but it is dot Gov, and frequently successive paragraphs appear to contradict each other.


I interpret "other aspects of vehicle use" to mean other than use as a trailer, but I am not a legal expert, and I don't know of any case law.

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It seems to mean specifically other than the construction requirements.

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Re: towing a car
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2024, 09:35:49 pm »
The car belongs to my Mother in Law, she and her husband have moved to a care home and we are selling the house.

The car’s MOT has run out as has its tax.

It will start with a jump start but the battery appears to be dead.

I was going to take it to our home where it may be easier and certainly more convenient to dispose of it.

I can get insurance for an hour or two to move it but I wouldn’t be taking it directly to an MOT station if I take it to one at all.

That is why I was thinking of towing it.

Of course having said that, the chances of being stopped are slim in outer London anyway but I dont want to be taking unnecessary risks.

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Re: towing a car
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2024, 09:54:08 pm »
To an MOT is fine, gov.uk say to a garage for repair is,  many say to a place of repair is. But  none seems to fit.

If you were doing one of the above check the insurance you purchase. Many policies require an MoT anyway. Some only require roadworthy.

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Re: towing a car
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2024, 01:01:20 pm »
Make an appointment with a garage near to where you are taking the car to for an MoT or pre-inspection. Whether the car actually reaches the garage or not is a bit of a gamble. As long as it's taxed and insured it can be drive for repairs and MoT.
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Re: towing a car
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2024, 02:00:02 pm »
The obvious answer seems to be to book an MOT near where you are, drive to and have MOT and then return to yours, nothing says it has to return to whence it started from AFAIK.

You then have the benefit of knowing what needs doing if you can sell it as is.
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Re: towing a car
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2024, 10:03:40 pm »
If it were towed with an A-frame (with linked brakes) then according to dot Gov the A-frame and vehicle combination is treated in legislation as a trailer. A trailer doesn't require MOT or tax, but has to be roadworthy.


https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-frames-and-dollies/a-frames-and-dollies


I suspect it would be easier to put it on a trailer than fit an A-frame though.

(And if it were any distance, something would need to be done to prevent gearbox damage, like removing the prop shaft.)

An A frame is for recovering a broken down vehicle to a place of storage or repair.  Once there the vehicle cannot be moved again on an A frame. A frames are not trailers as they cannot meet the Construction & Use Regs that apply to trailers.

The legislation is widely abused with few prosecutions and those usually occur within a few miles of car auctions selling accident damaged vehicles.

Recovering vehicles  by A frame on motorways requires the unit to leave at the first exit.