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Southwark to refund recipients of bus lane PCNs issued under the wrong act!
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Having threatened them with Judicial Review, they have now stated this:

1. How many code 34 j PCNs have been issued under the London Local Authorities
and Transport for London Act 2003 Act?

10,422 have been issued on an incorrect template
 

2. How much revenue has been raised?

None - they are all to be cancelled and refunded or £485,220.00 which is to be
refunded

3. When was this wording introduced?

The incorrect template was copied over the bus lane template on 12 February
2025, the correct bus lane template was put back in place on 12 June 2025.

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I have written confirmation from one officer that their PCNs were correct! If I went into the classroom and described Beethoven as a Baroque composer, I would be given my P45:

Southwark Parking Services Admail 4197 London SE1 1ZW T: 0344 800 2736 E: parking@southwark.gov.uk

Notice of Rejection of Representations - Road Traffic Act 1991 (as amended) London Local Authorities Acts 1996 (as amended) CCTV - Bus Lane Contravention

Dear (Mr Bond)

Thank you for your recent representations made in connection with the issue of the above penalty charge notice (PCN).

We have carefully considered what you say but we have decided not to cancel your Penalty Charge Notice (PCN).

We sent you a PCN because our camera evidence shows your vehicle in a bus lane at a time when only buses are allowed there.

The bus lane is enforced at all times.

You stated that the contents of the payment website is unhinged.

We are satisfied that the payment website is satisfactory and provides all required information.

Whilst we acknowledge you stated that the notice was issued under the wrong act; this is incorrect.

I have contacted one newspaper already.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2025, 11:32:24 am by Hippocrates »
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A fabulous bit of work.
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I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.
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Thanks mrm!  More to follow...............The dearly departed Nigel Wise is looking down favourably, I  hope, on my humble efforts I am sure. I miss him. 8) He got Richmond to refund a million and the parking manager sacked.  The guy who took over, Stephen Hardy, was a model parking manager who actually listened and applied common sense. I formed a good friendship with him and he subsequently moved to Epsom - but I made it quite clear that I was a "poacher" and not a "gamekeeper" as Nigel would say.
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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We are very proud to have you on this group helping altruistically to ayone in need. CONGRATULATIONS
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De nada. Story should be in the press tomorrow. If one divides the figure to be paid back by the number of rate payers, I reckon it works out at £1.58 per household, not including the cost of sending out fake PCNs and fake notices of rejection.

485,220.00 divided by 306,400.
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Great work mr Hippo 👏
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Quote from: mickR on August 17, 2025, 03:33:13 pm
Great work mr Hippo 👏

Thanks. @mrmustard has done a wonderful blog on this for which I am most grateful - he and I go back a few years.

I wanted to use more "sexy" language and, to bastardise Aristotle's syllogism i.e. if A=B and B=C then A=C, I suggested this:

Fake tickets=Fake Notices of Rejections=Real money.  8)

The buck stops with the Parking Manager and not APCOA. Whoever it is should resign. I will be suing them, if necessary, for my costs in terms of educating them, having had the effrontery to write that I was incorrect.

It is wholly unacceptable that an unpaid parking campaigner and representative at the London Tribunals should have to educate such incompetent staff who hold positions of power in that they issue defective  documents, including notices of rejection, which threaten people to pay the council. Following the story of last year in which I won a case against them (2240143117), they changed the wording to its correct version and then, for some reason, changed it again to the wrong Act! So, from June 12th, they have now produced four versions! This is an utter disgrace and heads should roll.

More to follow: this is just the tip of the iceberg.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2025, 09:43:48 pm by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Latest news from Hippo.  ITV News at 6pm today (18 August) will have a report on this story filmed in Southwark this morning with you know who!  :)
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@astralite apologies. Now tomorrow at 18.00 hrs I TV 1
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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@astralite
a blast from the past.
hello again.
ill be watching.
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I asked @astralite to put it up yesterday as I had no internet; but, they changed it due to an Old Bailey story. It is definitely going out tonight. With the FTLA shirt!
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Made the BBC News website this afternoon :-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjdy9z0pxnmo

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I certainly was not approached by the BBC and acted correctly. Paper first then ITV who would have done the initial story last year about the faulty wording even then.  More to follow...........
« Last Edit: August 19, 2025, 02:55:21 pm by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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