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London Councils who do not reoffer the discount in the formal Notice of Rejection
« on: August 01, 2024, 09:15:38 pm »
I thought it useful to compile a list of those councils who demand the full payment in their Notices of Rejection which situation, of course, is then a no brainer to go to the Tribunal.

First infamous one is: London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham. Code 34j. Bus lane enforcement.

When a comprehensive list is achieved, I will send one of my special missives to London Councils (and each individual council) in terms of The Nolan Principles.

As ever, thanks in advance for your assistance. If you do know of any, please also cite the relevant legislation.
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Re: London Councils who do not reoffer the discount in the formal Notice of Rejection
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2024, 01:30:21 pm »
Do we have evidence that LBHF do this evening if representations are made within 14 days of the date of issue of the PCN?
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Re: London Councils who do not reoffer the discount in the formal Notice of Rejection
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2024, 09:23:08 pm »
Havering must be the key authority for this currently as their PCNs now state no reoffer of discount on challenge (at least in the windscreen one posted the other day).
That they also don't appear to be putting pictures/videos online (at least before challenge) goes against fairness principle IMO.
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Re: London Councils who do not reoffer the discount in the formal Notice of Rejection
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2024, 09:29:51 am »
Quote from: cp8759 on August 11, 2024, 01:30:21 pm
Do we have evidence that LBHF do this evening if representations are made within 14 days of the date of issue of the PCN?

The issue is the EN. If they reject, it's the full amount in play. 20th August is the hearing.
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Re: London Councils who do not reoffer the discount in the formal Notice of Rejection
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2024, 04:18:31 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on August 12, 2024, 09:29:51 am
Quote from: cp8759 on August 11, 2024, 01:30:21 pm
Do we have evidence that LBHF do this evening if representations are made within 14 days of the date of issue of the PCN?

The issue is the EN. If they reject, it's the full amount in play. 20th August is the hearing.
What's the date of issue of the EN and the date the representations were received by the authority?
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Re: London Councils who do not reoffer the discount in the formal Notice of Rejection
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2024, 08:48:40 pm »
EN issue: 21/06/24

Formal  reps. made 23/06/24

NOR: 17/07/24

Original notice of decline states that the discount will not be repeated. 15/05/24

BTW: they have not included the EN in their pack. And they have messed  up the numbers.
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Re: London Councils who do not reoffer the discount in the formal Notice of Rejection
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2024, 01:47:46 pm »
« Last Edit: August 21, 2024, 07:54:04 pm by Hippocrates »
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Re: London Councils who do not reoffer the discount in the formal Notice of Rejection
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2024, 07:22:53 pm »
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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Re: London Councils who do not reoffer the discount in the formal Notice of Rejection
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2024, 05:34:29 pm »
Next infamous authority: Redbridge. Parking legislation.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/redbridge-pcn-code-86-out-of-bay/msg34943/#msg34943

And they think that the appeals are heard at the former PATAS at The Angel.  :o  :o  :o
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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Re: London Councils who do not reoffer the discount in the formal Notice of Rejection
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2024, 12:30:41 pm »
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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Re: London Councils who do not reoffer the discount in the formal Notice of Rejection
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2024, 12:35:04 pm »
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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Re: London Councils who do not reoffer the discount in the formal Notice of Rejection
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2024, 06:46:19 pm »
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι ε
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