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Is there anyone I can talk to about the problem we have on Kingston Hill?  The speed cameras just before Warren Road are poorly located - behind a bus stop instead of infront of it where drivers could have a good chance of seeing it. 

The signage on Kingston Hill doesn't start where it should start. The first sign should be where the speed limit changes as the Traffic Signs Manual indicates  (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5c78f895e5274a0ebfec719b/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf)

Instead, it is half a mile away from where the first sign should be positioned.   I am contesting 3 speeding fines I received for alleged offences in April 2025 - for driving within the old 30mph speed limit - 25, 26 and 28mph.  Magistrates hearings for the three cases will be in January and February.  I didn't even realise there was a change of speed limit until I received the NIPs.

I need my car for my work collecting and redistributing food for Surbiton Community Fridge and to support my disabled daughter who lives on Kingston Hill.  If I get 9 points added to my license, I have no buffer zone for a genuine misdemeanour which would take me off the road for 6 months and make our van's insurance uneconomical. 

Can anyone help/ advise on this matter? 

Is there anyone I can talk to about the problem we have on Kingston Hill?  The speed cameras just before Warren Road are poorly located - behind a bus stop instead of infront of it where drivers could have a good chance of seeing it. 

There is no requirement for a camera to be conspicuous, or for any warning signs.

I received an email from the met police with the evidence they are using in the case.  The way the extent of the new 20mph limit area is described is different from the one you've quoted on the RBK portal.

I am new to this forum - is there a way to attach a picture or a file?  If not, here is a link to the supporting evidence which the met police sent me a few days ago.  I've redacted the pdf.to remove personal info.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16cJ-maKH5_xYC9Fzo3dEKgdezbL3-q7ZCbISOVaF0sM/edit?usp=sharing

If you can't read the link, please advise how to share it.

Quote from: l_maktari on November 25, 2025, 04:45:02 pm

Is there anyone I can talk to about the problem we have on Kingston Hill?  The speed cameras just before Warren Road are poorly located - behind a bus stop instead of infront of it where drivers could have a good chance of seeing it. 

There is no requirement for a camera to be conspicuous, or for any warning signs.

Is that true?  I though they needed to be clear and visible.  "8.10.6.  Speed enforcement should be highly visible, with drivers made fully aware of the
presence of cameras and of the prevailing speed limit. The camera and speed limit signs should
always be clearly visible to drivers, and not obscured by other street furniture or vegetation." (quote from the Traffic Signs Manual)

I think, reading some local press reports and Facebook posts (not good, I know, but all I can find) that Kingston Hill was eventually left out of the "blanket" 2023 imposition of 20mph limits. Hence the later order.

I think it's just a question of where, exactly on Kingston Hill that order specified the 20mph limit to begin. I cannot tell from GSV and your photos whether the sign is located "150 metres east of its junction with Warren Road" or not - particularly as that spot appears to be in somebody's back garden.

This is a bit different to a moving traffic PCN, Hippo.

The OP has dates with the Magistrates after Christmas where he will attempt to defend three criminal charges.

Quote from: 666 on November 25, 2025, 05:05:18 pm

Quote from: l_maktari on November 25, 2025, 04:45:02 pm

Is there anyone I can talk to about the problem we have on Kingston Hill?  The speed cameras just before Warren Road are poorly located - behind a bus stop instead of infront of it where drivers could have a good chance of seeing it. 

There is no requirement for a camera to be conspicuous, or for any warning signs.

Is that true?  I though they needed to be clear and visible.  "8.10.6.  Speed enforcement should be highly visible, with drivers made fully aware of the
presence of cameras and of the prevailing speed limit. The camera and speed limit signs should
always be clearly visible to drivers, and not obscured by other street furniture or vegetation." (quote from the Traffic Signs Manual)

But the TSM is not law, simply guidance.

What's your point? I just posted I would take a look.

Because, judging from your signature, I thought that was your field of expertise.

Did you take a look?