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Re: M25 Surrey - Temporary gantry speed limie
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Quote from: John U.K. on June 18, 2025, 03:45:25 pm
Quote from: Firestone on June 18, 2025, 02:41:08 pm
Just some preliminery advice

Late one evening recently, I drove through a temporary 50MPH speed limit on the M25 in surrey.  I was doing 56MPH according to my digital display speedometer. I had cruise control on for 56MPH as I didn't want to annoy lorries who like to go at this speed or faster.  A camera on the gantry flashed twice as I passed. I know it must have been at my car as my car was the only one going through at that time. Am I likely to hear anything?  I have heard that just because a camera flashes, it doesn't necessarily mean that a photo is taken and also even if a photo is taken, if speed is deemed within a possible grace/tolerance margin, once again it might not follow that the driver will be necessarily pursued?  Just interested to  what others think at this stage.

Tolerance is usually spoken of in terms of 10% of speed limit or 10% + 2 m.p.h., to allow for inaccurate speedometers. So for 50m.p.h. limit an actual speed max of either 55 m.p.h. or 57 m.p.h.

But surely it works both ways? If your speedo is set/showing 56 m.p.h your actual speed could be up to 10% in excess of this?

1. 10% plus 2 mph is not tolerance, it is the (guideline) starting point for action. If you insist on thinking of a tolerance, it is 10% plus 1 mph.

2. By law, speedometers may not under-read. Unless it is faulty, an indicated 56 may be a true speed of 55 or less, but not 57 or more.
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Re: Have I been caught?
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Thank-you.

I think it will have to wait to see what happens.  Gosh if my speedo underreads, then I could have been going as fast as 60MPH!  I have never heard of overreading speedometers but i suppose it's possible. I have also heard it said that 'margin of errors' are usually in the driver's favour, but that can't be always the case as this website wouldn't exist!

The guide at the side marks me as a Newbie, however I was a member of the predecessor site, Pepipoo for many years, now switched off.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2025, 04:39:44 pm by Firestone »
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Re: M25 Surrey - Temporary gantry speed limie
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Quote from: 666 on June 18, 2025, 04:23:42 pm


1. 10% plus 2 mph is not tolerance, it is the (guideline) starting point for action. If you insist on thinking of a tolerance, it is 10% plus 1 mph.

2. By law, speedometers may not under-read. Unless it is faulty, an indicated 56 may be a true speed of 55 or less, but not 57 or more.


@666 Thank you for the clear explanation. :)

I still feel setting the cruise control at 56 in a 50 is cutting it a bit fine!

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Re: Have I been caught?
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Tha
Thank-you, both of you. I wrote the reply to Global which went through just before seeing your post Karma.  I'll update this if I hear anything or even if I don't allowing for expiry of statutory time periods!  Thank-you
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Re: Have I been caught?
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But surely it works both ways? If your speedo is set/showing 56 m.p.h your actual speed could be up to 10% in excess of this?

No no.

Speedometers must never under record (i.e. they must not show a speed lower than you are actually doing).

They are allowed to over record. Not sure of the current figure but it used to be 10%.

In a 50mph limit enforcement begins at 57mph. Don' know much about cruise control or how accurate it is. If you strayed up to that speed you may see a NIP land on your doormat.
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Morning all. Are M25 cameras operated by the relevant safety camera partnership for that county or centralised does anyone know?

I was flashed Monday 9th June but yet to receive anything through. I want to check nothing has been sent and lost rather then get a nasty surprise in 6 months and then have to convince someone that I never received the form and please can they sentence me to £100 & 3 points as opposed to 3 or 4 times that amount.

I'm not 100% sure what the capture speed would have been, probably around 82ish so no danger of it being more than the usual offers of disposal should it come to it. Whether I decide to do a SAC or the 3 points on an otherwise clean licence I haven't thought about yet.

Camera was a Hadecs 3 as far as I can tell. It was definitely mounted at the side of the road as opposed to gantry.  https://maps.app.goo.gl/EPe836Yd3SHz8sgXA

M25 eastbound (clockwise) about 2 miles from J22
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Do you own the vehicle or is it leased? Is your V5 up to date and correct in tn every particular with the address?

Search Google on M25 cameras who issues FPNs? as the seacrh term and
Google AI produces this (which may or may not be accurate)

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AI Overview
Flashed by speed camera on M25 about a month ago but ...
Fixed Penalty Notices (FPNs) for offences detected by cameras on the M25 are issued by the police force responsible for that specific section of the motorway. For the majority of the M25, this is the Metropolitan Police and Essex Police. In some areas, other forces like Kent Police may also be involved.

Elaboration:

    Jurisdiction: The M25 is divided into different sections, and each section is policed by a specific force.

Metropolitan Police: Covers the section of the M25 within Greater London.
Essex Police: Covers the section of the M25 within Essex.
Kent Police: May be involved in the section of the M25 that passes through Kent.
FPN Issuance: When a camera detects an offense (e.g., speeding, running a red light), the police force responsible for that area will investigate and, if appropriate, issue an FPN.
Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP): Before an FPN is issued, a Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP) is typically sent to the registered keeper of the vehicle within 14 days of the offense.
Fixed Penalty Notices: If the offense is minor and the driver is eligible, they may be offered the option of attending a speed awareness course instead of receiving points on their license and a fine.
Types of Cameras: The M25 uses various types of cameras, including static speed cameras, average speed cameras, and cameras for detecting other offenses like driving through a red 'X' on smart motorways.

Presumably it is possible to telephone the appropriate force and enquire whether anything is outstanding against yr reg.mark?


« Last Edit: June 26, 2025, 11:33:06 am by John U.K. »
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Re: Have I been caught?
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Thanks for your reply John, however...

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Google AI produces this (which may or may not be accurate)

In fairness I did ask if anyone knew, not if anyone knew how to use Google. But as the suggestion is it would be the specific force for that area I'll phone Herts SCP in Stevenage and ask.

Cheers,
Bert.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2025, 01:09:34 pm by BertB »
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For the sake of completeness, I contacted Herts who do look after that section via the live chat and

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On our systems I cannot see any notices linked to this vehicle
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Quote from: BertB on June 26, 2025, 02:59:52 pm
For the sake of completeness, I contacted Herts who do look after that section via the live chat and

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On our systems I cannot see any notices linked to this vehicle

As Herts have confirmed they look after that section then print off/screenshot their message and keep safe just in case.
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Can I still receive a PCN?
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So I was parked in double yellows very briefly. (My bad)however when I came out the shop the traffic warden was just walking up to the front of my car and got his camera out started taking pictures as I’m driving off can I still receive A PCN without a ticket physically being issued and put on the car?
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Re: Have I been caught?
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"Just some preliminery advice

Late one evening recently, I drove through a temporary 50MPH speed limit on the M25 in surrey.  I was doing 56MPH according to my digital display speedometer.  I had cruise control on for 56MPH as I didn't want to annoy lorries who like to go at this speed or faster.  A camera on the gantry flashed twice as I passed. I know it must have been at my car as my car was the only one going through at that time. Am I likely to hear anything?  I have heard that just because a camera flashes, it doesn't necessarily mean that a photo is taken and also even if a photo is taken, if speed is deemed within a possible grace/tolerance margin, once again it might not follow that the driver will be necessarily pursued?  Just interested to  what others think at this stage."


It's good to be able to report that it's now been 2-weeks + 4 working days since this incident and I have not heard - the post has been for today.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2025, 02:26:22 pm by Firestone »
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Re: Have I been caught?
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Usual point of enforcement would be 57mph and above. At a displayed 56 it is likely you were doing slightly under that due to over reads.

Do they sometimes flash with no further action taken. Yes, as per my post a few above yours. In my case I contacted Herts CTO after 2 weeks and asked them direct via the webchat. They came back to say nothing on record.

That was mainly because I was convinced I was at a speed above the point of enforcement and wanted to make sure nothing had got lost in the post, but obviously wanted to wait until 14 days had lapsed before I poked them.   
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Driver parked at Chiswick Sainsbury's (London W4 5UT) from 3pm to 3.30pm and from 3.55pm to 4.00pm. Maximum stay in the car park in 2 hrs, no return within 1 hr. Here's the sign from the car park: https://imgur.com/a/tVL0lkp .

I'm the registered keeper. Will a parking ticket be sent to me?
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Quote from: torte on July 11, 2025, 04:47:57 pm
Driver parked at Chiswick Sainsbury's (London W4 5UT) from 3pm to 3.30pm and from 3.55pm to 4.00pm. Maximum stay in the car park in 2 hrs, no return within 1 hr. Here's the sign from the car park: https://imgur.com/a/tVL0lkp .

I'm the registered keeper. Will a parking ticket be sent to me?
We can't possibly know.

If one is indeed sent, it should certainly be to you (though there is no limit to the incompetence of the parking companies). Are your details on the V5C correct?
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