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I would appreciate some advice regarding an incident involving my dad (Male, 68 years old) on 26th May.

He was driving behind a bus that had stopped to let passengers off. After indicating and checking that the adjacent lane was clear, he moved into that lane to pass the stationary bus. Shortly afterwards, a police car with two officers pulled him over and issued him with a traffic offence report.

My dad questioned what offence had been committed, as he believed he had driven safely and legally. During the conversation, the explanation seemed unclear. One officer suggested there could have been school children crossing, although it was half-term and the road was very quiet. When my dad asked whether it was illegal to change lanes to pass a stopped bus, he was told he needed to be "more careful" but was not given a clear explanation of the specific offence.

The officer who spoke did most of the talking, while the second officer remained largely silent. At one point, the speaking officer asked the other officer to "book it in", but she appeared reluctant to do so and refused.

I'm trying to understand whether there is an offence here that we may be missing. Is there a Highway Code rule or traffic law that would make this manoeuvre unlawful, assuming the lane change was carried out safely and the road ahead was clear?

My dad also came away feeling that he may have been treated differently because he is visibly from an ethnic minority background. We have no proof of this, and I appreciate there may be other explanations, but it has left him feeling quite upset about the encounter.

Any insight into the legal position or similar experiences would be greatly appreciated. Would it be advisable to take the course being offered as the easiest route?

Thank you.


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Re: Police Traffic stop report - Driving without due care
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That link just takes you to the header page. No documents are visible.

Irrespective of it being half term, did the incident actually take place outside a school or within sight of a School?
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Dad's ethnic minority status cannot possibly explain this.

As certain politicians and newspapers have explained over the past few days, non-white people are actually treated favourably by our two-tier police service.

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The alleged offence (Careless) is described as where 'driving falls below the minimum standard expected of a competent and careful driver, or fails to show reasonable consideration for other road users'.

This is largely subjective so without knowing exactly what the officer alleges it's hard to comment.  I wouldn't imagine the manoeuvre was 'illegal' as such but the execution may have fallen foul of the description above, e.g. poor timing or causing someone else to deviate

Ultimately, it's up to your Dad whether he wants to accept an out of court settlement (course/fixed penalty) or defend the allegation at court.

If he opts for court and maintains a not guilty plea then the matter will likely go to trial - this can be very costly if found guilty.  The offence carries 3 to 9 points but sounds at the lower end of severity.

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Thank you all.

Link to report: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/i7456tfyjr5wnbhskzex6/ahpcn.pdf?rlkey=i6jcmkmikib447ha1eyc6vl4i&st=j6y03lrx&dl=0

I cant see a school on the road in google maps but I will review his dashcam when I meet him today (I was away for the last 2 weeks) to get clearer picture of what occurred.
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Dad's ethnic minority status cannot possibly explain this.

As certain politicians and newspapers have explained over the past few days, non-white people are actually treated favourably by our two-tier police service.

It is better for humanity if people learn to not take what these certain politicians and newspaper tell you as gospel and instead try and speak to these "non-whites" to hear their lived in experiences for a balanced view.

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...but I will review his dashcam
That's rather handy...  Hopefully it has front and rear for the complete picture...

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Thank you all.

Link to report: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/i7456tfyjr5wnbhskzex6/ahpcn.pdf?rlkey=i6jcmkmikib447ha1eyc6vl4i&st=j6y03lrx&dl=0

I cant see a school on the road in google maps...


Can you please give a GSV link to the location?

Re: Police Traffic stop report - Driving without due care
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Dad's ethnic minority status cannot possibly explain this.

As certain politicians and newspapers have explained over the past few days, non-white people are actually treated favourably by our two-tier police service.

It is better for humanity if people learn to not take what these certain politicians and newspaper tell you as gospel and instead try and speak to these "non-whites" to hear their lived in experiences for a balanced view.
Sorry, my satire perhaps should have been labelled as such.