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Hi all,
Posting this one for a friend. They received a PCN from ce and showed me for advice. In my rushed search I thought the ntk was non compliant so told them to appeal saying that. Ce obviously rejected and provided popla code but now I’m unsure if the ntk is actually non compliant.

Friend is hoping to go and speak to the landowner (a local grocery store) soon.

Please let me know if they have grounds for popla appeal. Thank you.
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Re: Civil enforcement (CE) B10 PCN
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To be able to offer any advice you'll need to give us some information with which to work. As a starting point, read through the following thread, providing as much information requested as you are able to: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide. In particular we'll need:

  • The original NTK
  • Their appeal

If possible, it might be better if your friend can post directly themselves, so that this does not turn into Chinese whispers (which I fear it may already have done if they ended up inadvertently sending a half-cocked appeal)

Re: Civil enforcement (CE) B10 PCN
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My apologies - the image didn’t embed in my post. The links of front and back of PCN on there now.

Here’s the rejection email


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The friend is technophobe or more unable to comprehend anything too complicated. They need help and while I’m usually helpful -in this instance busy life got in the way and I might’ve messed up!

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The NtK is not fully PoFA compliant as it does not include the requirements of para 9(2)(e)(i) in that there is no invitation to the keeper to pay the charge. However, to include that point in the POPLA appeal, you will need to lead the assessor by the nose to that point and explain it, preferably in words of one syllable, why the NtK fails the strict requirements of PoFA.

Te above is rendered moot if the keeper has admitted to being the driver. Can you show us the exact wording of the appeal that was sent?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Civil enforcement (CE) B10 PCN
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Thank you.

I copied and pasted a previous response from the forum which they sent off as appeal.

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This is an appeal by the registered keeper - No driver details will be given. Please do NOT try the usual Group Nexus Trick of asking for driver details in order to get around the fact your NTK does not comply with POFA. As there is no keeper liability then liability cannot flow from the driver to the keeper and thus is an auto win @ POPLA. Please therefore cancel the notice or issue a POPLA code where you will auto withdraw.

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I hope that isn't what you sent off as your POPLA appeal. IS Civil Enforcement part of Group Nexus?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Civil enforcement (CE) B10 PCN
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That was the appeal to CE. Popla appeal yet to be sent.

Re: Civil enforcement (CE) B10 PCN
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But you mentioned GroupNexus in your appeal. What have CE got to do with GroupNexus?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Civil enforcement (CE) B10 PCN
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I searched for CE, spotted a recent post from a user showing an identical format of the PCN my friend received. I forwarded the link to that post which had the exact wording of the appeal. So it was a copy and paste appeal from pepipoo. As I mentioned earlier - I was short on time so my search and copy and paste job didn’t have much thought into it.

Re: Civil enforcement (CE) B10 PCN
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Please let me know if this popla appeal look ok? Thank you.

Dear POPLA Adjudicator,

I am the registered keeper of vehicle xxxxxxx and am appealing a parking charge from Civil Enforcements on the following points:

1.   A compliant Notice to Keeper was never served - no Keeper Liability can apply
2.   The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact the driver who was liable for the charge
3.   No evidence of Landowner Authority - the operator is put to strict proof of full compliance with the BPA Code of Practice
4.   Inadequate signage.
 
1.   A compliant Notice to Keeper was never served - no Keeper Liability can apply.

Although Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms ACT 2012 (POFA) potentially gives a creditor the right to recover any unpaid paring charges from a vehicles keeper, this right is strictly subject to statutory conditions being met by the operator, without which the right to ‘keeper liability’ does not exist.
The operators Notice to Keeper fails to comply with Schedule 4 as below:
It fails to comply with paragragh 9(2)(e)
9(1)A notice which is to be relied on as a notice to keeper for the purposes of paragraph 6(1)(b) is given in accordance with this paragraph if the following requirements are met.
(2)The notice must— (e)state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper—
(i)to pay the unpaid parking charges; or
(ii)if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver;

The notice to keeper is non compliant as the incorrect format for (e) has been used. There is no invitation to the keeper to pay the charge
2.   The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact the driver who was liable for the charge

In cases with a keeper appellant, yet no POFA 'keeper liability' to rely upon, POPLA must first consider whether they are confident that the Assessor knows who the driver is, based on the evidence received. No presumption can be made about liability whatsoever. A vehicle can be driven by any person (with the consent of the owner) as long as the driver is insured. There is no dispute that the driver was entitled to drive the car and I can confirm that they were, but I am exercising my right not to name that person.

Where a charge is aimed only at a driver then, of course, no other party can be told to pay. I am the appellant throughout (as I am entitled to be), and as there has been no admission regarding who was driving, and no evidence has been produced, it has been held by POPLA on numerous occasions, that a parking charge cannot be enforced against a keeper without a valid NTK.

As the keeper of the vehicle, it is my right to choose not to name the driver, yet still not be lawfully held liable if an operator is not using or complying with Schedule 4. This applies regardless of when the first appeal was made because the fact remains I am only the keeper and ONLY Schedule 4 of the POFA (or evidence of who was driving) can cause a keeper appellant to be deemed to be the liable party.

The burden of proof rests with the Operator, because they cannot use the POFA in this case, to show that (as an individual) I have personally not complied with terms in place on the land and show that I am personally liable for their parking charge. They cannot.

Furthermore, the vital matter of full compliance with the POFA 2012 was confirmed by parking law expert barrister, Henry Greenslade, the previous POPLA Lead Adjudicator, in 2015:

Understanding keeper liability
“There appears to be continuing misunderstanding about Schedule 4. Provided certain conditions are strictly complied with, it provides for recovery of unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle.

There is no ‘reasonable presumption’ in law that the registered keeper of a vehicle is the driver. Operators should never suggest anything of the sort. Further, a failure by the recipient of a notice issued under Schedule 4 to name the driver, does not of itself mean that the recipient has accepted that they were the driver at the material time. Unlike, for example, a Notice of Intended Prosecution where details of the driver of a vehicle must be supplied when requested by the police, pursuant to Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, a keeper sent a Schedule 4 notice has no legal obligation to name the driver. [...] If {POFA 2012 Schedule 4 is} not complied with then keeper liability does not generally pass.''

Therefore, no lawful right exists to pursue unpaid parking charges from myself as keeper of the vehicle, where an operator is NOT attempting to transfer the liability for the charge using the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

This exact finding was made in 6061796103 against ParkingEye in September 2016, where POPLA Assessor Carly Law found:

''I note the operator advises that it is not attempting to transfer the liability for the charge using the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and so in mind, the operator continues to hold the driver responsible. As such, I must first consider whether I am confident that I know who the driver is, based on the evidence received. After considering the evidence, I am unable to confirm that the appellant is in fact the driver. As such, I must allow the appeal on the basis that the operator has failed to demonstrate that the appellant is the driver and therefore liable for the charge. As I am allowing the appeal on this basis, I do not need to consider the other grounds of appeal raised by the appellant. Accordingly, I must allow this appeal.''

3.   No evidence of Landowner Authority - the operator is put to strict proof of full compliance with the BPA Code of Practice

As this operator does not have proprietary interest in the land then I require that they produce an unredacted copy of the contract with the landowner.
 The contract and any 'site agreement' or 'User Manual' setting out details including exemptions - such as any 'genuine customer' or 'genuine resident' exemptions or any site occupier's 'right of veto' charge cancellation rights - is key evidence to define what this operator is authorised to do and any circumstances where the landowner/firms on site in fact have a right to cancellation of a charge.
It cannot be assumed, just because an agent is contracted to merely put some signs up and issue Parking Charge Notices, that the agent is also authorised to make contracts with all or any category of visiting drivers and/or to enforce the charge in court in their own name (legal action regarding land use disputes generally being a matter for a landowner only).

Witness statements are not sound evidence of the above, often being pre-signed, generic documents not even identifying the case in hand or even the site rules. A witness statement might in some cases be accepted by POPLA but in this case I suggest it is unlikely to sufficiently evidence the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement.
Nor would it define vital information such as charging days/times, any exemption clauses, grace periods (which I believe may be longer than the bare minimum times set out in the BPA CoP) and basic information such as the land boundary and bays where enforcement applies/does not apply. Not forgetting evidence of the various restrictions which the landowner has authorised can give rise to a charge and of course, how much the landowner authorises this agent to charge (which cannot be assumed to be the sum in small print on a sign because template private parking terms and sums have been known not to match the actual landowner agreement).

Paragraph 7 of the BPA CoP defines the mandatory requirements and I put this operator to strict proof of full compliance:

7.2 If the operator wishes to take legal action on any outstanding parking charges, they must ensure that they have the written authority of the landowner (or their appointed agent) prior to legal action being taken.

7.3 The written authorisation must also set out:

a) the definition of the land on which you may operate, so that the boundaries of the land can be clearly defined

b) any conditions or restrictions on parking control and enforcement operations, including any restrictions on hours of operation

c) any conditions or restrictions on the types of vehicles that may, or may not, be subject to parking control and enforcement

d) who has the responsibility for putting up and maintaining signs

e) the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement
 
3. The signs in this car park are not prominent, clear or legible from all parking spaces and there is insufficient notice of the sum of the parking charge itself

There was no contract nor agreement on the 'parking charge' at all. It is submitted that the driver did not have a fair opportunity to read about any terms involving this huge charge, which is out of all proportion and not saved by the dissimilar 'ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis' case.

In the Beavis case, which turned on specific facts relating only to the signs at that site and the unique interests and intentions of the landowners, the signs were unusually clear and not a typical example for this notorious industry. The Supreme Court were keen to point out the decision related to that car park and those facts only.

In the Beavis case, the £85 charge itself was in the largest font size with a contrasting colour background and the terms were legible, fairly concise and unambiguous. There were 'large lettering' signs at the entrance and all around the car park, according to the Judges.

This case, by comparison, does not demonstrate an example of the 'large lettering' and 'prominent signage' that impressed the Supreme Court Judges and swayed them into deciding that in the specific car park in the Beavis case alone, a contract and 'agreement on the charge' existed.

Here, the signs are unremarkable, not immediately obvious as parking terms and the wording is mostly illegible, being crowded and cluttered with a lack of white space as a background. It is indisputable that placing letters too close together in order to fit more information into a smaller space can drastically reduce the legibility of a sign, especially one which must be read BEFORE the action of parking and leaving the car.

It is vital to observe, since 'adequate notice of the parking charge' is mandatory under the POFA Schedule 4 and the BPA Code of Practice, these signs do not clearly mention the parking charge which is hidden in small print. Areas of this site are unsigned and there are no full terms displayed - i.e. with the sum of the parking charge itself in large lettering - at the entrance either, so it cannot be assumed that a driver drove past and could read a legible sign, nor parked near one.

This case is more similar to the signage in POPLA decision 5960956830 on 2.6.16, where the Assessor Rochelle Merritt found as fact that signs in a similar size font in a busy car park where other unrelated signs were far larger, was inadequate:

''The signage is not of a good enough size to afford motorists the chance to read and understand the terms and conditions before deciding to remain in the car park. [...] In addition the operators signs would not be clearly visible from a parking space [...] The appellant has raised other grounds for appeal but I have not dealt with these as I have allowed the appeal.''

From the evidence I have seen so far, the terms appear to be displayed inadequately, in letters no more than about half an inch high, approximately. I put the operator to strict proof as to the size of the wording on their signs and the size of lettering for the most onerous term, the parking charge itself.

''When designing your sign, consider how you will be using it, as well as how far away the readers you want to impact will be. For example, if you are placing a sales advertisement inside your retail store, your text only needs to be visible to the people in the store. 1-2” letters (or smaller) would work just fine. However, if you are hanging banners and want drivers on a nearby highway to be able to see them, design your letters at 3” or even larger.''

''When designing an outdoor sign for your business keep in mind the readability of the letters. Letters always look smaller when mounted high onto an outdoor wall''.

''...a guideline for selecting sign letters. Multiply the letter height by 10 and that is the best viewing distance in feet. Multiply the best viewing distance by 4 and that is the max viewing distance.''

So, a letter height of just half an inch, showing the terms and the 'charge' and placed high on a wall or pole or buried in far too crowded small print, is woefully inadequate in an outdoor car park. Given that letters look smaller when high up on a wall or pole, as the angle renders the words less readable due to the perspective and height, you would have to stand right in front of it and still need a stepladder (and perhaps a torch and/or magnifying glass) to be able to read the terms.

Under Lord Denning's Red Hand Rule, the charge (being 'out of all proportion' with expectations of drivers in this car park and which is the most onerous of terms) should have been effectively: 'in red letters with a red hand pointing to it' - i.e. VERY clear and prominent with the terms in large lettering, as was found to be the case in the car park in 'Beavis'. A reasonable interpretation of the 'red hand rule' and the 'signage visibility distance' tables above and the BPA Code of Practice, taking all information into account, would require a parking charge and the terms to be displayed far more transparently, on a lower sign and in far larger lettering, with fewer words and more 'white space' as background contrast. Indeed in the Consumer Rights Act 2015 there is a 'Requirement for transparency':

(1) A trader must ensure that a written term of a consumer contract, or a consumer notice in writing, is transparent.
(2) A consumer notice is transparent for the purposes of subsection (1) if it is expressed in plain and intelligible language and it is legible.

The Beavis case signs not being similar to the signs in this appeal at all, I submit that the persuasive case law is in fact 'Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest [2000] EWCA Civ 106' about a driver not seeing the terms and consequently, she was NOT deemed bound by them.

This judgment is binding case law from the Court of Appeal and supports my argument, not the operator's case.

This was a victory for the motorist and found that, where terms on a sign are not seen and the area is not clearly marked/signed with prominent terms, the driver has not consented to - and cannot have 'breached' - an unknown contract because there is no contract capable of being established. The driver in that case (who had not seen any signs/lines) had NOT entered into a contract. The recorder made a clear finding of fact that the plaintiff, Miss Vine, did not see a sign because the area was not clearly marked as 'private land' and the signs were obscured/not adjacent to the car and could not have been seen and read from a driver's seat before parking.
So, for this appeal, I put this operator to strict proof of where the car was parked and (from photos taken in the same lighting conditions) how their signs appeared on that date, at that time, from the angle of the driver's perspective. Equally, I require this operator to show how the entrance signs appear from a driver's seat, not stock examples of 'the sign' in isolation/close-up. I submit that full terms simply cannot be read from a car before parking and mere 'stock examples' of close-ups of the (alleged) signage terms will not be sufficient to disprove this.


Re: Civil enforcement (CE) B10 PCN
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I'd personally include more detail of exactly how and why you don't believe the notice is compliant. State what PoFA requires, and what they have included, and why you contend this is not sufficient.

Can you show us the photos you have of the signage at the site to back up your arguments about the signage?

It's hard to offer any feedback on the merits of your argument on signage without seeing your evidence of its prominence and quality.

Re: Civil enforcement (CE) B10 PCN
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Rather than blindly copy & paste someone else’s POPLA appeal, you may want to proof read it and actually try and understand what you are putting across. Check your numbering as you have two #3 sections. Check your paragraph spacing.

You may want to emphasise to the assessor in your opening point that you can see the attempt by the operator to use some wording from PoFA in the NtK to hold the keeper liable but without the strict requirements of the Act being fully applied, it cannot be deemed almost fully compliant.

As also mentioned by @DWMB2, do you have any comparative photos of the actual signage at the location? Some assessors will simply say that because there is signage at the location, the operator must have the permission of the landowner because the BPA “audit” all their members. They do not, in the strict sense of the word.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Civil enforcement (CE) B10 PCN
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Having done a bit more research, it will be interesting to see whether the POPLA appeal is rejected and CE try to issue a claim in the county court against the defendant as “keeper” under PoFA.

I think it has not been emphasised enough, to date, that a claim against the “keeper” as opposed to the “driver” cannot be made for more than the amount of the unpaid parking related charges as they stood when the notice to the “keeper” was issued, which are £100 (in this example).

The reasoning for the above statement is that PoFA 4(5) states:

4(5) The maximum sum which may be recovered from the keeper by virtue of the right conferred by this paragraph is the amount specified in the notice to keeper under paragraph 8(2)(c) or (d) or, as the case may be, 9(2)(d) (less any payments towards the unpaid parking charges which are received after the time so specified).

The explanatory notes to the legislation at 221 state:

“The creditor may not make a claim against the keeper of a vehicle for more than the amount of the unpaid parking related charges as they stood when the notice to the driver was issued (paragraph 4(5)).

So, if a claim is issued against a defendant, holding them liable as “keeper” under PoFA, the claim cannot include the fake debt recovery costs. Any claim for more than the original £100 (or whatever amount was stated in the original NtK) is an abuse of process and therefore unreasonable behaviour by the claimant.

* Explanatory Notes are documents that typically accompany primary legislation (e.g. an Act or Measure). The text is created by the government department responsible for the subject matter of the Act (or Measure) to explain what the Act sets out to achieve and to make the Act accessible to readers who are not legally qualified. Explanatory Notes were introduced in 1999 and accompany all Public Acts except Appropriation, Consolidated Fund, Finance and Consolidation Acts.

The Explanatory Note is intended to give a concise and clear statement of the substance of the instrument. The instrument itself may also be accompanied by a separate explanatory document.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain