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UKPS-Company Registrerd Jeep-Wing Yip Loading Bay
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I parked my jeep that is registered to my wholesale bakery business at the Wing Yip loading bay for 8 minutes to purchase and load 12 bags of salt and sugar, weighing 25kg each. A few days later I received a fine. The marking on the bay says "Vans only" the sign however says "commercial vehicles only". When I challenged UKPS that my vehicle is a commercial vehicle, they said it wasn't registered with DVLA as such. I then told them that neither of my 2 box vans (also registered to the company) are named as commercial in the log book. They then went on to saying that it isn't registered with HMRC as a commercial vehicle. Could someone shed some light here

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What has Wing Yip said about this? I’m assuming you were a customer and they have contracted UKPS.

You say the van is registered to your company. Is it registered in the company name or your name? When you appealed, did you reveal yourself to be the driver?

Also, please show us the PCN you received. Was it a Notice to Driver (NtD) affixed to the vehicle or was it a postal Notice to Keeper (NtK)? If it was an NtK, is it addressed to a person or the company?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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So, Wing Yip wasn't at all interested in their customers being ticketed. Said they can't do anything about it, which I don't believe. I'm sorry it took that long to get back, I couldn't find the ticket, as it was sent to my accountant, who sent me a screenshot of it, which I deleted in error. I have now received another letter and was able to get the images from their website

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It does say vans only on the ground, but the sign says vans and commercial vehicles. The vehicles is registered to my accountants address as it is for the business.

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Daniel, you may want to redact your personal info unless you really don't care about identity theft. I've taken the liberty of doing it for you:

« Last Edit: November 21, 2024, 03:34:31 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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There are several very strong points you can rely on if this matter ever proceeds to the small claims track of the county court (The ultimate dispute resolution service). However, since the time for any appeal has passed, these arguments will be useful to challenge the operator’s claim in court.

Ambiguity in Terms:

The sign specifies "Commercial Vehicles ONLY," but the bay markings say "Vans only." This creates a clear contradiction and confusion about what is permitted. Your vehicle is registered to your bakery business and is used for commercial purposes (evidenced by being loaded with sacks of flour). This aligns with the sign’s stated purpose but highlights a lack of clarity in the contract formed by the signage.

Unclear Definition of "Commercial Vehicle":

The sign does not define what constitutes a "commercial vehicle." UKPS has attempted to retroactively impose requirements such as DVLA or HMRC classification, but these criteria are not stated anywhere on the sign. This ambiguity works against them, as the terms of any contract must be clearly communicated to the driver.

Purpose of Parking:

The vehicle was being used for a commercial activity (loading supplies for your bakery), which qualify it as a "commercial vehicle" under any reasonable interpretation.

Inconsistency in UKPS’ Approach:

When challenged, UKPS argued that your vehicle isn’t registered with the DVLA as a commercial vehicle. You correctly pointed out that neither of your box vans (clearly commercial vehicles) are classified as such in their logbooks. UKPS then shifted to HMRC classification, further demonstrating inconsistency and a lack of defined criteria.

Proportionality and Reasonableness:

The £100 charge is disproportionate in light of the circumstances. Your vehicle was parked in line with the apparent intent of the signage (for commercial vehicles), and there is no evidence of obstruction or misuse.

These points collectively highlight the weaknesses in UKPS’ case. The contradictory terms, lack of definition, and reliance on post-facto reasoning undermine their ability to enforce the charge.

In the meantime, you can safely ignore any debt recovery letters. The debt collectors are powerless to do anything, no matter how threatening they sound. Ignore them.

IF UKPS are sufficiently intellectually malnourished to try and make debt claim in the county court, come back and we will assist in easily defending any claim. We do not need to know about the debt collector letters. If you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC), which will give you 30 days to pay, not 14 as per the debt collectors, show us and we can assist in a response.

Perhaps you should seek out a better wholesaler to spend your money with, especially one that doesn't really care that their genuine clients are saddled with spurious invoices for £100 a pop from their contracted parking operator.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2024, 03:53:03 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Dear Hero,

Thank you very much indeed for blanking my info, I posted it in a haste.

And thank you for writing out all the points, should they decide to take it to court,
I shall be back in touch.

Many thanks

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Hello again,

I keep on getting letters from Trace Debt Recovery UK Ltd, threatening to slam me with a CCJ if the penalty remains unpaid. A CCJ is something I try my hardest to avoid.
Any advice?

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There is absolutely no way you can get a CCJ on your record if you follow the advice. You can safely ignore Trace and any other bottom dwelling debt collector.

They are powerless to do anything except to try and scare you into paying them out of ignorance and fear. Do not event into any communication with a powerless debt collector. Ignore them.

If/when UKPS send you a Letter of Claim (LoC), which will differ from any debt collector demands which only give you 14 days to pay, you will have 30 days to pay. Not that you pay the scammers. Show us the LoC and we will advise on the next steps.

There is absolutely zero chance you will have a CCJ for this.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain