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The letter (please say if any info is left uncensored):








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This is in relation to a parking charge letter received from Total Car Parks by the registered keeper today, 11th August. Letter is dated 5th August, and concerns an event on 1st August.



The car park: Gorleston High Street Shopping Centre car park. Address: 8 Duke Road, Gorleston-on-Sea, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, NR31 6RL (NB: Google Maps says the postcode is NR31 6LL, however the letter and parking payment confirmation email say it is NR31 6RL)


It is the larger of the two car parks of the same/similar name; both are managed by Total Car Parks (TCP), both have the reference 8017; the one of concern is the larger one, behind Farmfoods, and has the Instavolt charging within it (see below link).


Here is a Google Maps link to the car park with signage photographed (although the photo is from July 2023, there is a picture of the same signage, taken 1st August, at the bottom of this post - not a great photo, but still)


The event


On 1st August 2025, the driver parked in Gorleston High Street Shopping Centre car park, arriving around 8.30pm (this aligns with what TCP claim). The car park offers 1 hour of free parking, and thereafter is is £1.60 for up to 2 hours, £2.60 for up to 4 hours.


The driver attempted to buy a pay-and-display ticket but the on-site payment machine did not accept card, so they photographed the sign and opted to pay later once the free hour ran out, via the Parkonomy app/website as advertised by the signage. Just before the free hour expired, the driver used the Parkonomy website to add time by paying for 2 hours of parking, setting the start time to 9.20pm and the end time to 11.20pm. Thus, paying for an extra 2 hours on top of the free 1 hour.


They received a confirmation email for this, dated 9.19pm (thus showing payment was made before the free hour expired). The email shows 2 hours of time paid for, the cost of £1.75 (included SMS alert and booking fee), and the inputted start and end times (9.20pm; 11.20pm).

Edit: A screenshot of the payment confirmation email is now included at the bottom of this post.


The driver later got in the car in question and left the car park at 11.15pm, before the 11.20pm deadline (this aligns with the exit time of the letter).



In spite of the driver paying for 2 hours over and above the free 1 hour, the registered keeper received the attached letter demanding a £100 payment. The stated contravention is: "Paid less than displayed tariff".


The registered keeper truly feels the fine is entirely unjust: the driver paid for the time that the car was parked for. And had appropriate payment machines been installed, the driver could have paid using Contactless, rather than retroactively via a website, which may be what has triggered this letter.


So far, they have taken no action; below is the plan:


The registered keeper intends to appeal this letter, first via the TCP appeals process. If this is rejected, they shall appeal to the arbitrator POPLA (on reverse side of letter), even if doing so forfeits the chance of paying the reduced £60.


The registered keeper would appreciate assistance in how to appeal on both fronts (both to TCP and to POPLA).


Should both appeals be rejected, they seek further advice on what happens next:


1. Would it be a court appearance (they are willing to attend court in person)


2. Should it come to court: should they appoint a solicitor? if not, any relevant case references?


3. Should the court rule against them, it is appreciated they will have to pay coiurt costs as the losing party: roughly how much that might be, e.g. from past similar cases?


Please see below partial photograph of signage, taken on 1st August (unfortunately it only captures 1 of the 2 signs but see Google Maps link above for both signs)


Many thanks for reading all this!


Edit: Gaps between paragraphs reduced ("preview" strips away al line breaks!)




Payment confirmation email:

« Last Edit: August 12, 2025, 12:45:36 am by Cant Park Anywhere Mate »

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The driver misunderstood the charges - it's up to 1 hour free, up to 2 hours £1.60, up to 4 hours £2.60 - so should have paid £2.60.  An appeal as outlined will get nowhere.... 

There is no invitation to pay the charge or name the driver, so not fully compliant with POFA.  You could use the appeal  oft quoted on here for non POFA compliance, but again likely to get dismissed.

After that it will be debt collector letters, letter of claim, County Court claim - as long as you defend it (with advice on here) it will almost certainly be discontinued.

All depends on how aggrieved you are at a £100 charge for a £1 underpay....!

The relevant statutory requirement from Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012:

“The notice must— (e) state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper— (i) to pay the unpaid parking charges.”

This is a mandatory requirement. The Notice to Keeper must explicitly invite the keeper to pay the charge if the driver is not identified.

Now here is the wording used in the Notice to Keeper from Total Car Parks:

"You are notified under paragraph 9(2)(b) of schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 that the driver of the motor vehicle is required to pay this parking charge in full. As we do not know the driver's name or current postal address, if you were not the driver at the time, you should tell us the name and current postal address of the driver and pass this notice to them."

Nowhere in this wording is there any invitation for the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charge. The notice says the driver is required to pay, and that if the keeper was not the driver, they should pass the notice on and provide the driver’s details. It then says that if the charge is not paid or the driver is not identified, Total Car Parks has the right to recover the charge from the keeper.

This is not an invitation to pay. It is a statement of intent to pursue. That fails to meet the requirement under PoFA 9(2)(e)(i), which requires an actual invitation to the keeper to pay the charge.

Because this requirement has not been met, Total Car Parks cannot rely on Schedule 4 of PoFA to hold the keeper liable. They may only pursue the driver, whose identity they admit they do not know. This is a clear procedural failure.

The driver arrived at 8.33pm. The signage stated that the first hour was free, and that the tariff thereafter was:

• Up to 2 hours: £1.60
• Up to 4 hours: £2.60

The driver attempted to pay on-site but the machine did not accept card payments. They photographed the signage and opted to pay online via Parkonomy, as advertised. At 9.19pm—before the free hour expired—they paid for 2 hours of parking, covering the period from 9.20pm to 11.20pm. The vehicle left at 11.15pm, within the paid period.

The total stay was 2 hours and 45 minutes. The driver reasonably believed this consisted of:

• 1 hour free (8.30pm–9.30pm)
• 2 hours paid (9.30pm–11.30pm)

They paid £1.75 (including booking and SMS fees), which covered the 2-hour paid period. The signage did not clearly state that the free hour was not cumulative with the paid tariff. The driver interpreted the structure as additive: 1 hour free plus 2 hours paid equals 3 hours total.

The tariff board states:

• “60 Minutes Free Parking”
• “Charges apply to all vehicles after 60 minutes”
• “Failure to comply with the Terms & Conditions of the car park may result in enforcement... and a Parking Charge Notice of £100”
• “Pay Here” with instructions to use Parkonomy.com

There is no breakdown of the actual tariff amounts (e.g. £1.60 for up to 2 hours, £2.60 for up to 4 hours) on the board itself. Nor is there any clarification of whether the free hour is included in the paid duration or in addition to it.

This lack of clarity is critical. The driver reasonably interpreted the signage to mean:

• First hour is free
• After that, time is charged cumulatively
• Therefore, 1 hour free + 2 hours paid = 3 hours total

The signage does not state that the free hour is not cumulative or that the paid tariff must cover the entire stay including the free hour. That ambiguity directly affects how a reasonable person (the man on the Clapham Omnibus) would calculate the required payment.

Under the Consumer Rights Act 2015, contractual terms must be transparent and fair. Where signage forms the basis of a contract, any ambiguity or lack of clarity renders the term unenforceable. In this case, the signage failed to provide a clear tariff structure or explain how the free hour interacts with paid time.

Furthermore, the Private Parking Code of Practice (PPSCoP), section F1(j), amended in February 2025 states:

“Parking charges must not be pursued in relation to vehicles where evidence is provided that they are identified as: a vehicle parked in a car park managed by fixed camera technology (ANPR and/or CCTV) for which payment has been made for the full period of parking prior to the vehicle leaving the car park.”

The driver paid before the free hour expired, covered the intended duration, and left before the paid period ended. Issuing a PCN in these circumstances is contrary to the PPSCoP and undermines the principle of fair enforcement.

In short, the signage was ambiguous and the driver paid for what they reasonably believed was the correct tariff. The payment was made before the free hour expired, and the vehicle left within the paid period. There was no attempt to evade payment, and any discrepancy was caused by unclear signage and a confusing tariff structure. This is not a case of non-payment or deliberate breach. It is a case of procedural ambiguity and good-faith compliance. The charge is therefore unjustified.

All this can be used in your POPLA appeal after TCP reject the initial appeal. For now you simply appeal as the Keeper and you do not identify the driver, inadvertently or otherwise. Easy one to deal with… as long as the unknown drivers identity is not revealed. There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. TCP has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. TCP have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

In short, the signage was ambiguous and the driver paid for what they reasonably believed was the correct tariff.
When we get to POPLA, we can make a big deal of this point. I recently had a successful appeal at POPLA on an ambiguous terms case, so assessors can be convinced.

Hi everyone, sorry for the silence. I last checked back on the forum before I'd had any replies and was busy until now-ish.

Thank you to everyone that has replied, even those who said the appeal is likely to be rejected because it's good to know the methods TCP might use!

The registered keeper submitted an appeal today using the quote kindly provided above by b789. There was no embellishment, and no attachments were included. The appeal identified the RK only, not the driver.

The RK understands that today is the last day to appeal within 14 days before the fine ratchets up to £100, too.


The RK wants to extend their thanks to all of you, and especially b789 who broke down the legislation clearly, thoroughly, and provided a concise rebuttal to this matter.

The RK would very likely not have figured all this out re. legislation gaps and non-compliance by TCP, certainly not within a reasonable amount of hours vs. just paying the fine. The RK is cognizent that this means the parking giants can win by exploiting the fact that the ordinary citizen isn't well versed in law, specifically that regarding parking fines.

So the RK would also like to thank this entire forum for creating the resource that allows normal people to be assisted by thoose informed on the matter, to share the most successful angles of defence against believed-unjust parking fines, and to redress the balance in these "David vs Goliath" fights.

Thank you!


ETA: I'll come back when the RK receives a response to the appeal, of course!

...unjust parking fines, and to redress the balance in these "David vs Goliath" fights.

And this is another reason why far too many people get in a panic about these PCNs. If you can find the word "fine" anywhere in all the paperwork, I will give you £100 for every occurrence.

These are not "fines' They are speculative invoices from an unregulated private firm for an alleged breach of contract by the driver. They send you an invoice and then offer you a mugs discount to pay up quickly without question and, sadly, the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Click the link in my signature if you can find the time to take part in the ongoing government consultation about the upcoming legislation that will finally throttle this rogue industry.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Hi all,


As expected, TCP rejected the appeal. The full response is copied below, with identifying info removed, and line breaks added where the text editor removed them (but typos etc. left in).


Needless to say, next step is an appeal via POPLA. Please let me know if their response materially changes anything - the POPLA appeal will likely be tomorrow.






Spoiler tags might not work on this forum - here goes:



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...unjust parking fines, and to redress the balance in these "David vs Goliath" fights.

And this is another reason why far too many people get in a panic about these PCNs. If you can find the word "fine" anywhere in all the paperwork, I will give you £100 for every occurrence.



Good point - Invoice, not fine!


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Click the link in my signature if you can find the time to take part in the ongoing government consultation about the upcoming legislation that will finally throttle this rogue industry.



I'll definitely give that a look! Thank you - Even before the date of this incident, I'm always nervous of any predatory car park with the threatening signs of being run by some company itching to hand out a PCN via ANPR readings, because I feel like even my presence could be viewed as a contravention, e.g. stopping to look for spaces then leaving, etc... Generally I avoid such car parks altogether.

You've got to admire the intellectual malnourishment of the person who drafted this gem:

"You explained you are the registered keeper of the vehicle and the Parking Charge is not POFA 2012 compliant.

Please note the Parking Charge is POFA2012 as approved by the British Parking Association and was sent to the registered keeper.
"

Is the Keeper supposed to understand that the BPA has approved PoFA?

I gave you everything you need to put into your POPLA appeal. Have a search of the forum for other recent POPLA appeals to see how they are put together and show us what you intend to send. We will advise on any edits if necessary.

You have 33 days from the date of the initial appeal rejection to use the POPLA code.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Hi, I've had a review of the forum to put together a reponse.


Firstly, I forgot to say: the appeal rejection letter included phtoos of the signage on site in daylight, dated 14th november 2023 (dates in French for some reason)

As below, is it alright to reference their photos of the signage? Their several phtoos match my 1 photo.


Below is my intended POPLA appeal, which I admit I've been a bit lazy: It is mostly just a copy paste of b789's first reply in this thread, with following changes:

- Added the first line, inspired by the 2nd thread linked below, as an introduction

- Removed the reference to the man on the Clapham omnibus

- Added "I quote" to the 2nd para.

- Added text italicised, to address the original appeal (added only latter 2 paragraphs of original appeal, removed the bit about having "no hope at POPLA, re-organised as bullets), and its rejection


- After that, I've included a summary of their rejection, and why I think it's essentially just a "nuh uh" reply

- At the very end, as italicised, "find attached the relevant info"


Intended POPLA Appeal in Spoiler:
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I must admit I've been a bit lazy for a few reasons:

1. As b789 said, their original reply includes all the relevant detail, and it is better written than anything I'd have come up with,

2. I explored other threads, linked below: frequently things played out differently to my own case, such that the POPLA appeal either was different/not applicable, or absent e.g. thread starts with debt collectors's letter/past the point of POPLA. So has less luck with those than with the reply already provided


Some of the threads I explored:

CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 - Debt collectors jumped the gun with a letter during the "cool-off" time after the first appeal. Anyway, OP's appeal references the usual POFA 2012 paragraph 8 section 4 etc. So far the most relevant thread, which I've used.

The vech vehicle was parked in an an area dis designated for registered users only Related to a stopped delivery van not parking but I pinched the initial appeal sentence from here.

Horizon Parking - Barn Hoppitt - Epping Forest - Too early, no POPLA advice yet


PCN CUP Enforcement 6 months late - No POPLA code (too late) so no POPLA appeal

Euro Car Parks - DCBL Debt Recovery - As above, late/recurring debt, no POPLA appeal

UK Parking Control -- Parking Out Of Hours -- Money Claim Issued - Too far down the line, court next. Check back in on 17th September.


There was another one with an appeal to the other one, ICP I think, not POPLA, which I leeft alone in case of baked-in procedural differences. b789 I saw you in all of the above threads! And jfollows in many as well - thank you both especially for all the time you dedicate to this!



Closing questions:

1. Please let me know your thoughts on "my" intended appeal wording

2. I have not clicked through on POPLA yet to see what their appeal form looks like - I assume I'll be able to attach files

2a. I was going to attach the same files included in my OP: the sign photos, and the confirmation emmail of payment via the Parkonomy website. I presume that's wise

2b. Do I need to attach a scan/photo of the PCN letter or will they already have that?

2c. Same for the TCP appeal and their rejection: do I need to upload that or will they already have it?

2d. Also, in the above, I've assumed they can see the TCP rejection so I haven't repeated it all - is that okay?


Thank you!
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Nothing wrong with that appeal. except you can throw in a demand that stye provide strict proof of a valid and contemporaneous contract flowing from the landowner that permits them to operate and issue PCNs in their own name at the location.

Remember, you are trying to persuade an often 'Tim but dim" POPLA assessor on the minutiae of PoFA. I would go in with the assumption that the POPLA assessor is someone who never stayed in education beyond their first year of high school.

The failure to comply with PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) is quite subtle and you need to, proverbially, smack the POPLA assessor in face with a big wet halibut. If you are old enough, you may remember the "You've been Tangoed" ads on TV. That is what you are aiming for with your appeal on the failure to comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA.

You can also put the operator to strict proof that they have a valid contemporaneous contract flowing from the landowner to operate and issue PCNs in their own name.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Total Car Parks - Gorleston High Street - Paid less than displayed tariff
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Hi, I'm back - I finally got round to amending the appeal. I've added thhe "here's what POFA sayus, and here's what TCP actually did" section. I also tweaked some other bits to suit. Please let me know what you think!

I mean, I know POPLA will reject it as well anywya, but still!

Many thanks - hope I'm not too late for the parking consultation response, which is my next job (sorry if I am!!)



Revised v2 Intended POPLA Appeal in Spoiler:

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Re: Total Car Parks - Gorleston High Street - Paid less than displayed tariff
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Right I've just been doing the Private Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 Public Consultation as it closes at 23:59 on 5th September, i..e in less than 24 hours

Does anyone know how many quesitons there are? I'm 9 questions in, I see up to Q14 on the current page, and  I've been at it for an hour already; it's way past bed time now. The response involves reading several pages of context info before answering each quesiton as well; I'm nodding off at my desk, here!


All I really wanted to say in it, was that I actively avoid ANPR car parks because I'm worried i'll receive a PCN in bas faith. It just so happened that I was right to be worried: per this thread, I did eventually get stung by using an ANPR car park normally.

Sometimes if I am forced to enter suhc a car park, then leave due to lack of parking or what have you, I am left worrying for days after, whether tor ot they might fine me for "parking" despite not even parking, because yes they do work like that, yes thhey absolutely would call my 5mph drive around the car park before leaving, "parking without paying"...



Anyway, pleas let me know if you recall how many Qs the public consultation has!

Link: https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/private-parking-code-of-practice

Re: Total Car Parks - Gorleston High Street - Paid less than displayed tariff
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This para in your POPLA appeal is a classic “shoot yourself in the foot” error:

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In addition to the failure to comply with POFA 2012, which alone makes the parking charge unenforceable: Below I have summarised how I attempted to comply with the terms and conditions of the car park, only to be hit with this parking charge notice (PCN) anyway:

Remember, you must only refer to the driver in the third person. No “I did this or that”, only “the driver did this or that”.

The consultation is lengthy but worthwhile if you can persevere. I think I posted my submission as a reference but you’d have to do a forum search for it.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Total Car Parks - Gorleston High Street - Paid less than displayed tariff
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Thanks b789, good catch! I stayed up late to write it so I mgith have done so elsewhere; I'll review before submitting

All alright otherwise though? Sorry it's so long. Guess it's moot as they'll likely just decline that appeal anyway.

I'll have another crack at the consultation in a couple hours



Edit: There were about 38 questions in the consultation, and most required in-depth reading of various parts of code and the minutae of the changes the government proposed amendments... gah!

they also extended the consultation until the 26th September without informing me! So for others reading: you still have time.

They musty have extended it literally at the 11th hour: the email received last night, when "save and come back  later" was selected, said "You have until the close date of 5 Sep 2025 to submit your response.".

But sitll now it is 26th Septembe r- guess I had time to complete it properly after all!! Link: https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/private-parking-code-of-practice


I finished it at 00:17 on 26th September so it might not even count, but the response did go through. I skipped the last 10 or so quesitons due to running out of time; if I hadn't, it would easily have been 3-4 hours of work! They could have told us how many Qs there would be, how long to allow...


Main things form my point of bview were:

1. Unfair PCNs

2. The keeper avoids private car parks as much as possible because they know they operate unfairly e.g. no known grace period so if one enters one then leaves, one may get stung anyway, and things like parking but overstaying by even 0.01 seconds would result in the same charge as overstaying by 9 hours would

3. The fact both appeals feel entirely like hoops to jump throiugh which are never taken seriously and alwayus auto-rejected. Case in point: I found 0 threads on this forum where an appeal at either stage were successful; I know 0 people who have successfully appealed; all news articles about unfair parking charges include the infamous "appeal was rejected" line; I've never heard of any other outcome than "appeal rejected£". And yet they try and say 1. POPLA is independent and 2. appeals are taken seriously.


Anyway, hopefully it actually submitted. The Keeper genuinely does avoid private car parks with ANPR cameras, and this PCN from the one time I caved and used one, one of the few I've ever used, is like vindication to be honest.


/rant
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