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Dear all,

Thanks in advance for any support. I have just received a claim form for a PCN with UKCPS and I am seeking advice ahead of defending this. Here are the facts

Oct 2023 Driver parked in a UKCPS car park in Sheffield that boarded a KFC/Costa and Library/GP

Google maps - https://shorturl.at/Di6gB

Driver left the vehicle and crossed over an alleged boundary that UKCPS claims was their site boundary. Driver returned to the car 1 minute 22 seconds later and moved the vehicle off site. From Google maps you will see that the car park seems to service both the Library/GP and the Costa/KFC

08/11/2023 NTK sent to driver
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Since then
Appeal to UKCPS rejected
Appeal to IAS rejected

During the IAS appeal, UKCPS provided various documents including a sitemap referencing signage. The site map provided by UKCPS clearly shows they believed signs to be present at the entrance to the car park (which were not there) and on the side of the car park the driver stopped at ( which were not there). Fueling my argument that signage was insufficient.

An edited version of their site map is linked here
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Drivers car added in red.
Red circle in front of car shows sign not installed.
Red circle at entrance was installed inwards and not outwards therefore not visible on entry
Arrow shows direction of travel of driver on foot
(still the IAS rejected this evidence of lack of signage)

Here is a google map view of the car park with the car location again in red and the lack of signage were they claimed it was.
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Here is a picture taken from the center of the car park showing car location and red circle lack of signage
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Here is a google map view of the entrance to the car park without any signage.  https://shorturl.at/Di6gB

It may amuse you to hear that even though UKCPS rejected my appeal. They installed signs at these locations a month after my defense to IAS. As shown here https://ibb.co/vxvpY20T

I feel I am in strong position and here is my current argument,

1)Driver was parked for 1 minute 22 seconds. Well short of a consideration period
2)NtK Does not specify a time frame only a specific time
3)Inadequate signage of what the “Site” was
4)Later installation of further signs indicates acceptance that signage was not adequate at time of PCN


The risk of CCJ is weighing heavy on me but I also feel this is unjust. Advice and reassurance on the potential success of this would be appreciated. Also any legislation/codes of practice I should be applying to this. The PCN was before the Oct 2024 private parking code of practice.

Note. I was sent a Letter of claim that I have only now realized was a LOC. Under the barrage of debt recovery letters I didn't notice it was different. This was not responded to.

Thanks
Pauley

EDIT - Claim form attached here https://ibb.co/Rk2XjPc5. Moorside legal services LTD are representing
« Last Edit: March 25, 2025, 09:59:37 pm by Pauly436 »

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Re: Small claim court letter received. Observed leaving site UKCPS Sheff
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Post the claim form, redact personal info and MCOL password, but leave dates showing. Did you identify the driver in your correspondence?

As long as you defend the claim you won't get a CCJ - even in the unlikely event you lose, as long as you pay it promptly it will be wiped.

b789 will provide a defence - most likely the claim will have been poorly submitted and will be withdrawn before it gets to a hearing. Who is their legal agent?
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Moorside legal services LTD are representing

Driver not identified in correspondence

Claim form has been added to original post

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Please confirm the date of issue - this is the important one, as confirms the time scales for Acknowledgement of service / submitting defence.

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Date of Issue of claim form was 13th March. Due to being away I only received it yesterday.

The 14 day window of reply is tomorrow. would you advise acknowledging today to get the 28 days to provide a defence?

First time doing this but I believe that’s how it could work.

Thanks so much for providing assistance.

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I am not the expert, but if you are up against the time, then definitely submit the AOS to buy the extra defence time.  If you look on various threads, b789 has put up the defence many times, it should be pretty much the same here, the POC from Moorside are the usual garbage.

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Acknowledge service based on the instructions in this PDF: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Take a stab at preparing a defence based on the information throughout the forum and await further support from @b789 or one of the other regulars.

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A claim issued through MCOL is deemed served five days after the issue date. So, the clock doesn't start running until the 5th day after the issue date. Any deadline that falls on a weekend or bank holiday is moved to the next working day. So, you have more time than you think.

With an issue date of 13th March, you have until 4pm on Tuesday 1st April to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Tuesday 15th April to submit your defence.

If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Otherwise, here is the defence and link to the draft order and relevant transcripts that go with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you send all the documents as a single PDF attachment (in the order of 'defence', 'draft order' and then the 2 'transcripts') in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of UKCPS Ltd v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

UKCPS Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant cites the cases of CEL v Chan 2023 [E7GM9W44] and CPMS v Akande 2024 [K0DP5J30], which are persuasive appellate decisions. In these cases, claims were struck out due to identical failures to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a). Transcripts of these decisions are attached to this Defence.

5. The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order approved by a district judge at another court. The court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4.(1)(a). The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:

(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Failed to explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather than permitting an amendment.

6. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence

CEL v Chan Transcript

CPMS v Akande Transcript

If you want an editable MS Word file with everything in a single document which you can then save/export as a single PDF file when ready to send, use this:

MS Word .docx file for defence [CPR 16.4(1)(a)]
« Last Edit: March 26, 2025, 12:36:10 pm by b789 »
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Re: Small claim court letter received. Observed leaving site UKCPS Sheff
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I can’t thank you all enough. It was a short time frame so I really appreciate the defence being built so quickly for me. I have just submitted the AoS to give me abit of time to read it all over and amend the parts you mention.


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What evidence do they have that the driver (or anyone for that matter) left the premises? When you appealed, what did you say (exact wording). It would be worthwhile knowing if you shot yourself in the foot.

They never have any evidence of the driver leaving the site. They just claim that the driver was "observed". That is not evidence. So, please show us the appeals that were submitted so that we can assess any damage done in the highly unlikely event that this ever actually gets as far as a hearing.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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@b789 Thanks for checking I haven't made a blunder in any correspondence.

Here is my appeal to UKCPS directly
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Here is my appeal to IAS (Split into two docs)
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I asked for an SAR and the only images I received from this and the IAS appeal as evidence are as follows. The driver outside of the car and at the red circle point on this picture
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striding towards/ on top of their alleged site boarder. And the driver in the same location 1 minute later facing the car.

Do let me know if that is not clear enough.

Appreciate this extra checking.

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Somthey never had any evidence that the driver left the site. As you have seen, the IAS are nothing but a bunch of mendacious tosspots. I will place money in the fact that the anonymous assessor has zero legal training and is not qualified to organise a p!ss up in a brewery. The lying toe rag even states that the “appellant” was observed.

If anyone needs further evidence of the incestuous relationship between the IAS and the IPC members, they need look no further than the response given in that joke of an adjudication. Utter liars.

Anyway, as you know, although you argued the point unnecessarily, they have no idea who the person in the CCTV images is. This is never going to get as far as a hearing.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Hi all/@b789,

I am just sending the 'defence', 'draft order' and then the 2 'transcripts' to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk.

Just wondering if I also need to reply on www.moneyclaim.gov.uk. somehow?
I went for the AOS on the moneyclaim site to gain me some time and I see a section for "start defence"

Thanks

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Do not touch the defence section online, or else you might inadvertently file a blank defence. Sending the defence by email, as advised above, is sufficient as long as you receive an acknowledgment following submission.
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Thanks for the quick reply. Will follow your guidance