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PCN in an emergency situation
« on: September 05, 2024, 10:16:04 pm »
I am writing to appeal the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) issued to me on 01/08/2024 for the alleged contravention of non-payment of a parking ticket. The contravention date stated on the PCN is 05/08/2024. I am disappointed to learn that my initial appeal, submitted via postal mail, has been rejected. I kindly request a reconsideration of my case based on the following grounds:On the 1st of August, I took my mother to Coventry Health Centre. Initially, I paid £1.80 for an hour as she complained of dizziness. However, my mother suddenly collapsed, and the doctors had to attend to her urgently. In the midst of this distressing situation, I realized that the time on the parking ticket had expired when the ambulance arrived. Without hesitation, I renewed the ticket at 4:38 PM and left for the hospital before the ticket expired at 5:02 PM.I understand that the contravention code for this PCN is related to non-payment of a parking ticket. However, I believe that the circumstances surrounding this incident warrant a cancellation of the penalty charge. The extenuating circumstances of my mother's medical emergency and the urgency with which we had to leave the premises should be taken into consideration.I kindly request that you review the evidence provided and reconsider the decision to reject my appeal. I trust that you will recognize the validity of my grounds and dismiss the PCN accordingly.

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Re: PCN in an emergency situation
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2024, 09:44:59 am »
Before we get onto the details of the appeal, have you spoken to the PALS team at the relevant hospital? If not you should do this ASAP.

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Re: PCN in an emergency situation
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2024, 05:29:38 pm »
As above, PALS is your Plan A. Whilst we can sympathise with your situation, your mitigation was not accepted by ParkingEye. You are also under the misapprehension that what you received was "penalty" of any kind.

PE are an unregulated private parking company and not an "authority" of any sort that can issue "fines" or "penalties" and no "offence" was committed by the driver. what you received is a speculative invoice for an alleged breach of contract by the driver. It is a civil law matter.

When you appealed to PE, you should have provided some evidence to back up your reason for what happened. Anybody can make up any excuse to avoid paying for their parking.

However, they are accusing the driver of not having paid for the duration of the stay. The signs say that payment can be made on exit. At the time you exited, you were already over the 2 hours you had paid from. If you were distracted because of the emergency you had been involved with and failed to notice the time, then that should have been clearly explained.

Ideally, you should never have identified the driver as you were sent the PCN as the Keeper. To ate to worry about that now.

PE are BPA members and as such, they re required to abide by the BPA Code of Practice (CoP). However, Annexe B, Table B.1 of the new Joint CoP states the following:



So a 10 minute grace period should apply. As the driver departed within the published grace period, you could appeal to POPLA with that clause. POPLA do not take into consideration any mitigating circumstances. Only law and CoP failures by the operator.

So, carry on with the complaint to PALS and if that isn't successful, let us know and an appeal to POPLA can be prepared. You have 33 days from the date of the PE appeal rejection to file a POPLA appeal.
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Re: PCN in an emergency situation
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2024, 01:05:29 pm »
The single CoP does not become effective until 1 Oct.(for breaches occurring 1 Oct. and later) therefore any reference to its provisions must surely be ignored by POPLA. However, the same provision applies under s.13 BPA CoP.

https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/NEW%20Redesigned%20Documents/Version91.2.2024Highlight.pdf

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Re: PCN in an emergency situation
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2024, 02:23:00 pm »
Even though the new Joint CoP doesn't take effect until 1st October, it provides valuable insight into what constitutes fair practice and clarity regarding grace periods. The upcoming Joint CoP, with its clear graphic detailing grace periods for different types of car parks, represents a significant improvement in understanding what constitutes a fair grace period.

The principles outlined in the new Joint CoP, even though they are not yet in effect, by having published them, they reflect best practices that should guide current interpretations of fairness. The clarity provided by the new joint CoP demonstrates what the industry considers a reasonable grace period, which should be considered when assessing fairness in any POPLA appeal.

While the new CoP's provisions technically apply to breaches from 1st October onward, the clarity it provides should inform the assessment of any appeal. It serves as a benchmark to the assessor for what constitutes reasonable practice and can help demonstrate why the current approach under the existing CoP may be flawed or unfair.

By framing it this way, the appellant highlights that the new CoP's clarity can offer guidance on fairness, even if it doesn't take effect until after the date of the incident. This helps to demonstrate that the principles of fairness should be applied in evaluating the case, reflecting the industry's evolving standards.
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Re: PCN in an emergency situation
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2024, 02:29:53 pm »
Perhaps a sensible approach would be to reference both, to avoid the potential pitfall HC sensibly highlights, where POPLA might just say "That CoP doesn't apply yet", whilst referencing the fact that it's an example of good practice.

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Re: PCN in an emergency situation
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2024, 04:49:10 pm »
....that the current provision regarding a minimum of 10 minutes' 'grace period' has been carried forward unaltered into the single CoP -which will become effective on 1 Oct. highlights the weight which ATAs place on this matter. In this case, ....
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Re: PCN in an emergency situation
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2024, 10:42:24 am »
Hi,

I’ve made an appeal to Popla, the outcome is attached below. What other options are available to me as the citizen advice bureau seems to be a long process?
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POPLA assessment and decision
12/11/2024
Verification Code
6062334426
Decision
Unsuccessful
Assessor Name
Rachel Hankinson
Assessor summary of operator case
The parking operator has issued a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) for not purchasing the appropriate parking time.
Assessor summary of your case
The appellant has raised their grounds of appeal, which have been summarised: • They took their mother to Coventry health centre and paid £1.80 for an hour • Their mother collapsed and the doctors had to attend to her urgently • The ticket expired when the ambulance arrived, so they renewed this at 4:38pm • They left site before the ticket expired • They believe that the extenuating circumstances surrounding the incident warrant the PCN being cancelled • If further evidence or information is required, they can be contacted After reviewing the parking operator’s evidence pack, the appellant reiterates their grounds of appeal in further detail regarding the circumstances and mentions the 10 minute grace period. They feel that the grace period should be clearly displayed in an accessible and visible location. The appellant has provided their payment as evidence towards their appeal. The above evidence will be considered in making my decision.
Assessor supporting rational for decision
When assessing an appeal, POPLA considers if the parking operator has issued the parking charge notice correctly and if the driver has complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park. The appellant explains that they took their mother to Coventry health centre and paid £1.80 for an hour. They state that their mother collapsed, and the doctors had to attend to her urgently. They believe that the extenuating circumstances surrounding the incident warrant the PCN being cancelled. I appreciate that this may not have been a purposeful breach of the terms, and the appellant would be concerned about their mother. There is a human side to parking appeals and, like in this instance it can make the refusal of an appeal uncomfortable. POPLA can consider whether a parking contract was formed and, if so, whether the motorist kept to the conditions of the contract. It must be recognised that even if a motorist presents us with circumstances setting out genuine reasons, we are unable to allow an appeal by the way of goodwill on behalf of the parking operator. Signage on site makes it clear that parking tariffs apply Monday to Sunday 6am until 6pm and failure to comply with the terms would result in a £70 PCN being issued. The appellant says that the ticket expired when the ambulance arrived, so they renewed this at 4:38pm. They left site before the ticket expired. I acknowledge the appellant’s evidence of their payments and whilst I appreciate that they purchased parking time for up to 2 hours, they exceeded this by 17 minutes. As no further payment was made, the appellant became liable for a PCN. The British Parking Association (BPA) has a Code of Practice which set the standards its parking operators need to comply with. Section 13.3 of the Code of Practice requires parking operators to allow the driver 10 minutes to leave if parking is permitted for a limited amount of time or on paid car parks. In this case, the appellant exceeded the paid parking time and the 10 minute grace period. I note that the appellant feels that the grace period should be clearly displayed in an accessible and visible location. However, there is no requirement for the grace period to be displayed on signage. I note that the appellant says that if further evidence or information is required, they can be contacted. I can base my assessment only on the evidence presented. POPLA’s role is to determine if the PCN was issued correctly. It is not within POPLA’s remit to gather evidence. If the appellant intended to rely on particular evidence to support their appeal, they would have to ensure it was provided along with their original appeal submission. Within their comments to the operator’s evidence, the appellant has reiterated their grounds for appeal in further detail. Whilst I appreciate the appellant’s comments, as I have already addressed these grounds as part of my assessment, such comments have no bearing on POPLA’s outcome. As such, I have no further comments to make about these grounds at this stage. Based on the evidence provided by both parties towards the appeal, I am satisfied that a breach occurred as the appellant did not make a valid payment for their full parking stay. I conclude that the PCN was issued correctly and therefore, the appeal is refused.
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Re: PCN in an emergency situation
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2024, 11:01:09 am »
What did PALS say when you first contacted them about this back in September?

What have Citizens Advice told you to do?
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Re: PCN in an emergency situation
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2024, 03:11:15 pm »
I’ve been redirected to 4 departments. I’m still waiting for the last email I’ve been given.
“Thank you for emailing and I’m sorry to hear of your circumstances. We can advise you to forward your email on to Partnership.Carparking@covwarkpt.nhs.uk with a clear image of the full PCN and provide an explanation of why you received the PCN, and they should be able to help you going forward.
 
Best wishes and hope this is soon resolved for you,
Kind regards,”

I haven’t contacted citizen advice bureau yet. I know it take a while to get an appointment.
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Re: PCN in an emergency situation
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2024, 03:17:55 pm »
CAB are useless when it comes to PCNs issued by unregulated private parking companies.

So, have you sent a copy of your full PCN and an explanation of what happened to Partnership.Carparking@covwarkpt.nhs.uk?
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