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Hi everyone,

I (Registered Keeper) got issued another PCN again (FML!) by Park-It, for "no valid parking payment." However, the Driver DID pay, but Driver paid with it with cash and has no proof of ticket as it was thrown away.

RK contacted the private carpark's owner, who said he can see in the CCTV that the Driver can be seen at the payment machine for a few minutes before exiting, but there is no payment registered. The carpark owner said he can "email Park-it on your behalf, as, even though I can't see a payment, that payment was at least attempted." However, in a later email, the carpark owner said "I can't guarantee anything with my email, my advice to you would be to contact the company direct yourself and appeal."

I don't understand - can't the carpark owner, who pays Park-It, be able to cancel the PCN?

How should I proceed with this?

Thank you!
« Last Edit: August 21, 2024, 04:21:19 pm by phlegmborough2 »

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I suggest you edit that post so as not to give away driver ID as presumably the driver paid on the day?  Unless by your 'careful wording' you have already told the parking company in your appeal as you suggest you did?

The landowner can usually tell the paring company to cancel, but it may cost them (depends on the contract) so will be loathe to do so.  many landowners only realise how bad the contract they signed is (for them) when they come to stop their customers being fleeced!
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The CCTV presumably shows the driver at the payment machine, please amend your post accordingly.

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I don't understand - can't the carpark owner, who pays Park-It, be able to cancel the PCN?
Depends what the terms of the contract he signed with the parking company are.

I suggest you edit that post so as not to give away driver ID as presumably the driver paid on the day?  Unless by your 'careful wording' you have already told the parking company in your appeal as you suggest you did?

The landowner can usually tell the paring company to cancel, but it may cost them (depends on the contract) so will be loathe to do so.  many landowners only realise how bad the contract they signed is (for them) when they come to stop their customers being fleeced!

Thanks, have modified my post!

I have yet to appeal as I'm considering my next steps. I can't believe that as an upright citizen who has never committed any crimes nor failed to make any appropriate payment that I'm getting two PCNs for nothing.

Please also show us the relevant documents as per my previous reply.

Oops, here is the PCN.

https://imgur.com/a/5MJxTAP
« Last Edit: August 21, 2024, 12:43:52 pm by phlegmborough2 »

Thanks, have modified my post!
Maybe, but you didn't fix it.
There are motorists who have been scammed and those who are yet to be scammed!

Thanks, have modified my post!
Maybe, but you didn't fix it.

Thanks!! Did it (I think!)

Hi,

I've emailed the carpark owner again to ask if he can cancel my PCN. Meanwhile, while waiting for the outcome, would it make sense to appeal on the grounds that the carpark owner actually has CCTV evidence that the driver WAS at the payment machine? Of course, then Park-it will have to prove that Driver was there but did not make payment.

Thanks so much!

Forget CCTV for any “evidence”. It cannot be used for this as it is not approved and it is not a criminal matter. The PPC have no idea of the identity of the person in the CCTV. There is no magical database they can somehow compare an image of the person to in order to reveal the identity of that person.

As the NtK is PoFA compliant, unless there is a defect in the signage, the liability for the charge can be transferred to the keeper. Is there any evidence of the signs at the location? Are the signs compliant with the relevant Code of Practice? Is the charge adequately brought to the attention of the driver? Are the signs prohibitive in nature? All the signs prominent and obvious?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Forget CCTV for any “evidence”. It cannot be used for this as it is not approved and it is not a criminal matter.
Does it need to be approved to be admissible as evidence? It's probably of limited value, but getting a copy of it, if the landowner will share it, might be worth it, to back up the point that the driver did indeed pay, alongside their witness statement stating the same.

It would depend on how clear the quality is and unless the video evidence actually tracks the driver leaving the recognisable car and going to the payment machine and whether it can actually evidence the driver making the “payment” it is of no use.

Also, why would the landowner bother to go to the trouble of providing the video evidence when they could simply tell their agent to cancel the PCN if it is obvious tht the driver did in fact make a payment?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

None of which we will know unless the OP gets hold of it - so if they'll share it, why not?

Of course, getting the landowner to cancel is always preferable.

None of which we will know unless the OP gets hold of it - so if they'll share it, why not?

Of course, getting the landowner to cancel is always preferable.

Hi, I can ask the carpark owner to share the CCTV with me (to be honest, he has been really good with helping and replying promptly).

What I don't understand is, as the carpark owner, why can't he just cancel it? He's making it sound as if he has no say over the carpark that he owns.

What I don't understand is, as the carpark owner, why can't he just cancel it? He's making it sound as if he has no say over the carpark that he owns.
Keep on at him about cancelling it. Some landowners sign absolutely terrible contracts with these parking companies. Some charge them for cancellations, for example.