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Re: Received a court claim form for overstaying in a supermarket carpark
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Thank you once again.

I've now sent this on :)

Re: Received a court claim form for overstaying in a supermarket carpark
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Respond to that with the following:

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Dear Sir/Madam,

Re: Case No. [Claim Number] – Request for Costs Consideration Following Discontinuance

Thank you for your response dated [insert date], advising that a formal N244 application is required to seek costs.

I write to respectfully clarify that I am not seeking to re-open the case or apply for any further directions but am instead requesting the court to exercise its discretion to award modest costs under CPR 27.14(2)(g), due to the claimant’s unreasonable conduct in failing to notify me of the discontinuance.

It is my understanding that following a late discontinuance, the court retains jurisdiction to consider costs under CPR 38.6 and that such requests can, and often are, considered on the papers without the need for a formal N244 application—particularly where no further hearing is necessary and the costs sought are proportionate.

In this case, the claimant discontinued on 11th February 2025 but failed to inform me. I only discovered this upon proactively contacting the court on 5th March 2025. I respectfully maintain that this failure to notify caused unnecessary stress, wasted effort, and inconvenience, and therefore constitutes unreasonable behaviour under CPR 27.14(2)(g).

Given the circumstances and the modest nature of the costs requested, I would be grateful if the court could confirm whether the request may be placed before a District Judge for consideration under the court's general discretion, without the need for a fee-bearing application.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]

Hiya,

They just responded with a notice of hearing. Is this normal procedure?

Notice of Hearing Link

Re: Received a court claim form for overstaying in a supermarket carpark
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Is there only one page?

Re: Received a court claim form for overstaying in a supermarket carpark
« Reply #93 on: »
Is there only one page?

There are 4 pages in total:

Page 1: Our name and address
Page 2: What seems to me the only significant information and the one I shared
Page 3: Seems to be generic paragraph: If I will need language interpreters or interpreters for hearing impairments etc
Page 4: Date, time, location and duration of the hearing followed by what seems to be generic info about  court procedures like: The case made be released to another judge at a different court.

Re: Received a court claim form for overstaying in a supermarket carpark
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This is good. You must attend the short hearing where the judge will decide whether the claimant has acted unreasonable (they have) and will award costs.

Whilst we don't need to see anything that is obviously generic in a court order, you should show everything else, even is a single sentence has been printed on another page. In this case, Page 4 would be relevant and should be shown.

Please confirm that a date and time for the hearing has been allocated and that you can attend. If the attendance at this hearing involves more cost, you can ask for that to be paid too. You are at least entitled to loss of earnings of up to £95 and your transport and parking costs. So ask for 40p/mile round trip (or whatever the going HMRC rate for mileage is these days) plus parking fees or keep receipts for bus, train, taxi etc.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Received a court claim form for overstaying in a supermarket carpark
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This is good. You must attend the short hearing where the judge will decide whether the claimant has acted unreasonable (they have) and will award costs.

Whilst we don't need to see anything that is obviously generic in a court order, you should show everything else, even is a single sentence has been printed on another page. In this case, Page 4 would be relevant and should be shown.

Please confirm that a date and time for the hearing has been allocated and that you can attend. If the attendance at this hearing involves more cost, you can ask for that to be paid too. You are at least entitled to loss of earnings of up to £95 and your transport and parking costs. So ask for 40p/mile round trip (or whatever the going HMRC rate for mileage is these days) plus parking fees or keep receipts for bus, train, taxi etc.

Okay. Here is the other page Link

By the way, what happens at a hearing...always thought of them as being a scary serious session where you get grilled to death.


Re: Received a court claim form for overstaying in a supermarket carpark
« Reply #96 on: »
Have a look at this short video. Nothing to be worried about and I doubt the claimant will even have representative there:

https://youtu.be/n93eoaxhzpU?feature=shared
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Received a court claim form for overstaying in a supermarket carpark
« Reply #97 on: »
Have a look at this short video. Nothing to be worried about and I doubt the claimant will even have representative there:

https://youtu.be/n93eoaxhzpU?feature=shared

Thank you, this is really helpful :)

Re: Received a court claim form for overstaying in a supermarket carpark
« Reply #98 on: »
Have a look at this short video. Nothing to be worried about and I doubt the claimant will even have representative there:

https://youtu.be/n93eoaxhzpU?feature=shared

I just received an email from the claimants solicitors.

"Dear Sirs,

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

We write further to the Notice of Hearing, dated 29/04/2025.

It is the Claimant's position that you are not entitled to any costs. We respectfully draw your attention to CPR 27.14 which states that costs are not ordinarily applicable to Claims allocated to the Small Claims Track.

Please note that the Claimant has acted reasonably at each stage of proceedings, and therefore it is our position you will not be awarded any costs.

The Claimant filed and served the N279 Notice of Discontinuance on 11/02/2025. A copy of the same is attached.

In accordance with the Court's overriding objective, and to avoid taking up the Court's valuable time, we invite you to email the Court requesting that the Hearing be vacated and that you are not seeking any costs.

When sending the above email, please ensure that you copy xxxxx@dcblegal.co.uk into the email.

Failure to action the above will result in the Claimant opposing your costs and we will seek an Order from the Court that you will be liable for cost of doing so.

Kind Regards,

xxxxxxx

DCB Legal Ltd
"

Re: Received a court claim form for overstaying in a supermarket carpark
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Attached is the document he attached to me with his email

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Re: Received a court claim form for overstaying in a supermarket carpark
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Typical of a firm of incompetent wannabe lawyers to respond like this. This type of correspondence from DCB Legal is a tactical attempt to dissuade you from pursuing your costs claim—a common approach, especially when they're aware their conduct may be scrutinised.

DCB Legal’s reliance on the general bar against costs in small claims is incomplete and misleading. They have omitted the critical exception under CPR 27.14(2)(g), which states:

"(g) a party has behaved unreasonably..."

You have already asserted (and the court has agreed to hear) that the Claimant’s failure to notify you of the discontinuance amounts to unreasonable behaviour.

Filing an N279 Notice of Discontinuance (NoD) does not equate to service. DCB Legal claims the NoD was both filed and served on 11 February 2025.

However, if you did not receive the NoD at the time, and only learned of the discontinuance by contacting the court yourself, then service was not effected.

Under CPR 6.3 and 6.20, serving a document means ensuring it actually reaches the party. The mere act of filing does not constitute service.

They must prove proper service (e.g. with a certificate of service or proof of postage), not merely assert it.

Their threat that you could be liable for their costs is hollow. The letter says “we will seek an Order from the Court that you will be liable for the cost of doing so.” In reality, you are not liable for the Claimant’s costs of opposing your request unless your behaviour was itself unreasonable, which it clearly isn’t. You are simply asking the court to exercise its discretion—a recognised and valid action.

This veiled threat is an intimidation tactic. The court is unlikely to entertain such a costs order against a litigant-in-person for pursuing a legitimate, scheduled costs-only hearing.

You should absolutely not withdraw your costs request. The court has already found there is a case worth considering, and that a hearing is justified.

Is DCB Legal’s letter truly “without prejudice”? No, not really. Their letter:

• Does not contain any offer to settle or concession.
• Is mainly a statement of position and a veiled attempt to persuade you to withdraw your costs application.

As such, it's arguably not covered by the without prejudice rule at all and may be "open correspondence" despite the heading. Courts look at substance over form, and if the contents are not truly part of settlement negotiations, the “without prejudice” label is ineffective.

The "without prejudice" rule protects genuine attempts to settle a dispute from being disclosed to the court. If a communication is truly “without prejudice,” it cannot be shown to the judge as evidence of liability, admissions, or concessions. It applies only when there is a genuine dispute and the party is making an offer or seeking to settle.

Their letter does not contain any offer to settle or concession. It is simply a statement of position and a veiled attempt to persuade you to withdraw your costs application. As such, it's arguably not covered by the without prejudice rule at all and may be "open correspondence" despite the heading. If the contents are not truly part of settlement negotiations, the “without prejudice” label is ineffective.

So, I suggest you respond to DCB Legal with the following:

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Subject: Re: [Claim Number] – Proposed Costs Settlement

Dear Sirs,

Thank you for your letter dated 14 May 2025, which I note is marked “without prejudice.”

In the interests of saving court time and assisting the overriding objective, I am prepared to accept a payment of £104.50 in full and final settlement of my costs application. If the Claimant agrees to this offer and payment is made promptly, I will notify the court and seek to vacate the hearing listed for 2nd September 2025.

For the avoidance of doubt, I do not accept your position that the Claimant has acted reasonably. The Claimant failed to serve the Notice of Discontinuance on me, and I only became aware of the discontinuance after contacting the court myself several weeks later. That omission has led to unnecessary time and effort on my part and is, in my view, unreasonable conduct under CPR 27.14(2)(g).

I would also point out that the use of the “without prejudice” label is inappropriate in this context, as your letter does not contain any offer or attempt to settle the matter. Rather, it is a statement of position accompanied by a threat of costs.

Courts have held that “mere statements of position” or refusals to settle do not attract without prejudice protection. In Unilever plc v The Procter & Gamble Co [2000] 1 WLR 2436, the Court of Appeal clarified that it is the substance—not the label—that determines whether a communication is protected.

Accordingly, I reserve the right to place your letter before the court as evidence of further unreasonable conduct by the Claimant.

This offer is open for 7 days, after which I will proceed to the hearing and seek the full amount, together with any additional reasonable expenses incurred in attending.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
[Your Address / Email if applicable]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Received a court claim form for overstaying in a supermarket carpark
« Reply #101 on: »
Typical of a firm of incompetent wannabe lawyers to respond like this. This type of correspondence from DCB Legal is a tactical attempt to dissuade you from pursuing your costs claim—a common approach, especially when they're aware their conduct may be scrutinised.

DCB Legal’s reliance on the general bar against costs in small claims is incomplete and misleading. They have omitted the critical exception under CPR 27.14(2)(g), which states:

"(g) a party has behaved unreasonably..."

You have already asserted (and the court has agreed to hear) that the Claimant’s failure to notify you of the discontinuance amounts to unreasonable behaviour.

Filing an N279 Notice of Discontinuance (NoD) does not equate to service. DCB Legal claims the NoD was both filed and served on 11 February 2025.

However, if you did not receive the NoD at the time, and only learned of the discontinuance by contacting the court yourself, then service was not effected.

Under CPR 6.3 and 6.20, serving a document means ensuring it actually reaches the party. The mere act of filing does not constitute service.

They must prove proper service (e.g. with a certificate of service or proof of postage), not merely assert it.

Their threat that you could be liable for their costs is hollow. The letter says “we will seek an Order from the Court that you will be liable for the cost of doing so.” In reality, you are not liable for the Claimant’s costs of opposing your request unless your behaviour was itself unreasonable, which it clearly isn’t. You are simply asking the court to exercise its discretion—a recognised and valid action.

This veiled threat is an intimidation tactic. The court is unlikely to entertain such a costs order against a litigant-in-person for pursuing a legitimate, scheduled costs-only hearing.

You should absolutely not withdraw your costs request. The court has already found there is a case worth considering, and that a hearing is justified.

Is DCB Legal’s letter truly “without prejudice”? No, not really. Their letter:

• Does not contain any offer to settle or concession.
• Is mainly a statement of position and a veiled attempt to persuade you to withdraw your costs application.

As such, it's arguably not covered by the without prejudice rule at all and may be "open correspondence" despite the heading. Courts look at substance over form, and if the contents are not truly part of settlement negotiations, the “without prejudice” label is ineffective.

The "without prejudice" rule protects genuine attempts to settle a dispute from being disclosed to the court. If a communication is truly “without prejudice,” it cannot be shown to the judge as evidence of liability, admissions, or concessions. It applies only when there is a genuine dispute and the party is making an offer or seeking to settle.

Their letter does not contain any offer to settle or concession. It is simply a statement of position and a veiled attempt to persuade you to withdraw your costs application. As such, it's arguably not covered by the without prejudice rule at all and may be "open correspondence" despite the heading. If the contents are not truly part of settlement negotiations, the “without prejudice” label is ineffective.

So, I suggest you respond to DCB Legal with the following:

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Subject: Re: [Claim Number] – Proposed Costs Settlement

Dear Sirs,

Thank you for your letter dated 14 May 2025, which I note is marked “without prejudice.”

In the interests of saving court time and assisting the overriding objective, I am prepared to accept a payment of £104.50 in full and final settlement of my costs application. If the Claimant agrees to this offer and payment is made promptly, I will notify the court and seek to vacate the hearing listed for 2nd September 2025.

For the avoidance of doubt, I do not accept your position that the Claimant has acted reasonably. The Claimant failed to serve the Notice of Discontinuance on me, and I only became aware of the discontinuance after contacting the court myself several weeks later. That omission has led to unnecessary time and effort on my part and is, in my view, unreasonable conduct under CPR 27.14(2)(g).

I would also point out that the use of the “without prejudice” label is inappropriate in this context, as your letter does not contain any offer or attempt to settle the matter. Rather, it is a statement of position accompanied by a threat of costs.

Courts have held that “mere statements of position” or refusals to settle do not attract without prejudice protection. In Unilever plc v The Procter & Gamble Co [2000] 1 WLR 2436, the Court of Appeal clarified that it is the substance—not the label—that determines whether a communication is protected.

Accordingly, I reserve the right to place your letter before the court as evidence of further unreasonable conduct by the Claimant.

This offer is open for 7 days, after which I will proceed to the hearing and seek the full amount, together with any additional reasonable expenses incurred in attending.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
[Your Address / Email if applicable]

Sir, you are a legal Viking. I'd hate to be on the wrong side of you  ;D

Re: Received a court claim form for overstaying in a supermarket carpark
« Reply #102 on: »

They just replied with this:

"Dear Sirs,

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

We write further to your recent email.

Upon review of this matter with our Client, our Client would be agreeable to paying you £20.00 in full and final settlement of your costs.

Should you be agreeable, please provide the following information so our Accounts department can make payment of £20.00 to you:

Account name
Account Number
Sort Code

Kind Regards,

XXXX

DCB Legal Ltd"

 

Re: Received a court claim form for overstaying in a supermarket carpark
« Reply #103 on: »
Hilarious! It's up to you. You can accept their less than generous offer or enjoy the Schadenfreude of making them squirm in court and get a proper spanking, with your costs, hopefully agreed by the judge.

Don't forget, you are claiming your costs for the initial failure and you can also add your costs for this attendance too.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Received a court claim form for overstaying in a supermarket carpark
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They’ve consulted the Claimant, or at least claim to have. This shows they’re now taking your costs application seriously. They’re offering £20 against your £104.50 claim, which is less than 20% of the amount sought — plainly not a serious or fair offer. Also, they’ve again marked the letter "without prejudice", which means you can’t show it to the judge unless you reject it and later argue costs were unreasonably contested.

Email them back with the following response to info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself:

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Subject: Re: [Claim Number] – Costs Hearing

Dear Sirs,

Thank you for your offer of £20. I do not consider this to be a reasonable or proportionate settlement in view of the circumstances and the time and effort caused by the Claimant's failure to serve the Notice of Discontinuance.

My original claim of £104.50 remains. If a reasonable offer is not forthcoming, I will attend the hearing as listed on 25 September 2025 and will also be seeking additional costs for attending the hearing, including loss of earnings and travel expenses where applicable, in accordance with CPR 27.14(2)(g) and (3).

This hearing could have been avoided had the Claimant acted reasonably at an earlier stage, and I respectfully suggest that the Claimant consider making a revised offer in good faith before further unnecessary costs are incurred.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain