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Re: PPC PCN Purley Way - Nexus
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It's not an issue about precedence or invoicing.   It's just about reading the words in POFA.  If the PPC delivers a notice within the 'relevant period' and it says all the things required by POFA, it doesn't matter what other notices it sent previously or sends subsequently. 
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Re: PPC PCN Purley Way - Nexus
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I appreciate your point… However, if the first NtK specifically states that the operator is not relying on PoFA as indicated on the NtK here:



Can a subsequent, amended NtK that now relies on PoFA, take precedence as long as it arrives after the initial, non-PoFA NtK as long as it arrives within the relevant period?
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Re: PPC PCN Purley Way - Nexus
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I appreciate your point… However, if the first NtK specifically states that the operator is not relying on PoFA as indicated on the NtK here:
Can a subsequent, amended NtK that now relies on PoFA, take precedence as long as it arrives after the initial, non-PoFA NtK as long as it arrives within the relevant period?
I don't think the words 'non POFA' can be taken as a promise or representation not to invoke PoFA in a subsequent NTK if there is still time to deliver one within the relevant period.  They are simply an acknowledgment that this particular NTK is not PoFA-compliant.
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Re: PPC PCN Purley Way - Nexus
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I had the opposite experience in the thread headed St Michaels Court. The first PCN specifically referred to POFA. I challenged on the basis of imprecise location and then got a second PCN that failed to address the matter of location at all but specifically said it was not being issued under POFA. At this point I said "well, if you are not making the claim against me - the RK - under POFA then address it to the driver, but I am under no obligation to name him/her".

When it went to POPLA the adjudicator dismissed the second PCN and the reference to it not being under POFA as a "typo" despite this being effectively repeated in two other places and relied entirely on the first one. The adjudicator did not, it seems, go back to the PPC to ask if the second letter did indeed contain a "typo".

So it seems as though both PPCs and POPLA can decide at will whether a non-POFA compliant PCN succeeding a POFA compliant one - or vice versa - prevails. Hence my original enquiry in the Purley Way case as to whether the first PCN or communication had to mention POFA in order for it to be invoked. As a read of St Michael's Court will show I was pretty familiar with POFA but did not know the answer to this last point. It seems from the correspondence between Nosy Parker and b789 that it is not entirely clear. However I got off Purley Way because the original PCN did not mention POFA, the PPC accepted that I could not be liable in the absence of a POFA compliant PCN, and they did not send a second one.

Re: PPC PCN Purley Way - Nexus
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That's the problem with POPLA, you don't know whether you are going to get an experienced, legally trained assessor or if the tea-boy has been commandeered in that day to help with the case load.

The problem is in how each PPC decides to word their NtKs. If POPLA don't uphold an appeal, there is no adverse effect on the case. Let it go to court and have a judge decide whether the keeper is liable or not.

The issue is that if a PPC sends out an NtK that is not PoFA compliant but then decides to send out a new NtK that is compliant, it would have to have been sent so as to have arrived (deemed delivered) by day 14 after the alleged contravention. That doesn't give them much time and I have not seen any PPC actually do this in over three years of learning and dealing with these issues.

I have seen and I am dealing with an ongoing claim where the initial NtK actually says on it (Non-PoFA) yet the PPC (I Park Services) subsequently sent out a reminder claiming that the keeper was liable under PoFA. Go figure!  ::)
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