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Re: PCN liability in driving lesson
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I don't understand wha you are worrying about. You would have been the liable party in a breach of contract dispute with the PPC. This is simply a matter of contract law (civil). Nothing to do with criminal law.

However, there is no outstanding debt as far as the PPC is concerned so the matter is closed. As for your instructor, unless he has a valid contract with you as his client that specifically covers your liability for private invoices from a third party, then he should take the matter up with his lease company or if he's feeling lucky, try and sue you in the county court.

As far as you are concerned, the matter is closed.

I'm not worried or concerned anymore, it's closed and thank you all for clarifying that. This extra talk is just about me coming to an acceptance that I could have been liable if his contract with his lease company was different than it is, and if they had not paid immediately, or if he had appealed it. That fact still doesn't sit completely right with me given the context of what happened, but it is outside the scope of the advice of this forum so I'll leave it there.

Thank you again everybody.

Re: PCN liability in driving lesson
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To that I would he has his pedals beneath his feet, he can put his foot on the brake!
So can you. I can understand why one would feel aggrieved to end up liable for a parking charge after following instructions, but feeling aggrieved is not a defence.

As b789 says, you can rest easy on this matter, and there's probably little point in us exploring hypotheticals.

Re: PCN liability in driving lesson
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The Hirer, your instructor, should have known better than to teach you on private land, at least not before seeking out any terms and conditions for using the land beforehand.
I am surprised that any driving instructor would use a private car park for their lessons these days. Almost all are covered by such Ts&Cs, many with ANPR, making it a risky action.

Re: PCN liability in driving lesson
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The Hirer, your instructor, should have known better than to teach you on private land, at least not before seeking out any terms and conditions for using the land beforehand.
I am surprised that any driving instructor would use a private car park for their lessons these days. Almost all are covered by such Ts&Cs, many with ANPR, making it a risky action.

Of the several supermarket car parks that I use I have often seen driving school cars practising.  Every one of these car parks has T&Cs displayed. However, few lessons would exceed the usual limit of 1½ or 2 hours.

I wonder if the op's instructor uses the same car regularly and, if so, do the charges relate to the op or some other students?

Re: PCN liability in driving lesson
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Unless the documents he provided were edited, I doubt it was someone else. This was a car park, which I only know now was for a leisure centre and the entry/exit time difference was 50 minutes for one invoice and 30 minutes for the other. The PPC is Gemini Parking Solutions.

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I was an instructor in a previous life, and find this instructor's conduct appalling. The OP should consider a complaint to the DVSA.
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Re: PCN liability in driving lesson
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I was an instructor in a previous life, and find this instructor's conduct appalling. The OP should consider a complaint to the DVSA.

As it is a large driving school a complaint to their management would seem appropriate (I imagine it's a franchise model but there should still be some oversight).

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I was an instructor in a previous life, and find this instructor's conduct appalling. The OP should consider a complaint to the DVSA.

As it is a large driving school a complaint to their management would seem appropriate (I imagine it's a franchise model but there should still be some oversight).

I agree with both of you, but as of this morning, after I've told him clearly that this is not my responsibility he has stopped messaging me, I will leave it there unless he continues communication. As bizarre as this all is, I don't know what he's going through, maybe he's just having a terribly bad week. I also doubt he will do this to other students, he will obviously be aware of his mistake to bring me to that car park and will be more careful in future.