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I have filed a data subject access request with the BPA as follows:

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(To:  contactdpo@britishparking.co.uk    )

Dear Sirs,

Kindly send me all personal data concerning myself that you hold in connection with matters concerning PCN [***], which was issued to me with my name on it by your member Parking Eye. For the avoidance of doubt, this data includes all correspondence that has passed concerning this PCN or any matters arising from it between the BPA and Parking Eye, including (inter alia) all items sent by or to your employee Ms Gemma Dorans.

Please acknowledge receipt of this request.

Name: [***]
Address: [***]
Registered keeper of vehicle reg. [***] throughout February 2025

I look forward to hearing from you.

Yours sincerely,

[***]

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Lazy and stupid (but cocky with it) G Dorans of the BPA keeps banging her head against the wall. I received this as her latest email:

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Dear [***]

Thank you for your email.

Our role is to investigate breaches of our Code of Practice where evidence can be supplied and to rectify any identified breaches. On this occasion, a breach of the Code was identified, and we believe appropriate rectification occurred.

Please note we are not obliged to continue to correspond about issues we have already addressed.

If we receive further correspondence of this nature, we will deem it as unreasonable and/or vexatious and therefore we will invoke our unreasonable complaints and vexatious communications policy.  Please find below a link to the policy for your information:

UnreasonableComplaintsandVexatiousCommunicationsPolicyMarch2025.pdf

Kind regards

Gemma Dorans

AOS Investigations Team

I am not bothering communicating with her any more. I have instead emailed Philip Boynes and Dave Smith as follows:


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Dear Mr Boynes,

It seems you have a problem with this employee. I will not stand for being told black is white.

Information regarding this whole matter is being circulated.

I await your conformation that you have advised your member to cancel this "parking charge notice".

Sincerely

[***]

Okay, so I misspelled "confirmation" as "conformation", but I'm angry!

Edit: I was so angry that I confused the BPA with Parking Eye and sent that email to Philip Boynes of Parking Eye rather than to Andrew Pester of the BPA. I have now sent it to Pester and taken the opportunity to correct my typo!  :)

I've also sent this to Boynes and Smith:


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Dear Mr Boynes  (Cc: Dave Smith),

The email that I sent to you at 1.01pm today was misaddressed and I meant to send it (and address it) to somebody else. My apologies for this error.

Nonetheless, you are past the 1pm deadline and I have not heard from you that you have cancelled your "parking charge notice" that you issued in February with my name on it, against which I filed an appeal to which you failed to issue a substantive response within the BPA-mandated 28 days.

Liability is not transferable to a registered keeper outside the English jurisdiction, nor in any case is the PCN still extant given that you failed to respond to the appeal. Whether you try to find the driver is up to you, but the PCN issued to me as registered keeper at the time is certainly void.

Because you missed the deadline, I am now circulating information including correspondence with yourselves.

I realise your reputation is extremely poor, but in the interests of protecting it from further free fall into the gutter, you may like to confirm that you have cancelled your "notice" even at this tardy stage. At the present point I have not started proceedings for harassment but reserve the right to do so.

Yours sincerely,

[***]
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« Last Edit: June 19, 2025, 01:27:34 pm by carriep »
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Oh dear, there is more... I got this from Sara Roberts, "Head of Parking on Private Land" at the BPA:


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Dear [***]

May I open by introducing myself. I am the Head of Parking on Private Land at the BPA .  Your email to Andrew Pester and the associated email trail has been shared with me to review and provide a response to.

At the BPA we investigate breaches of our Code of Practice when there is evidence. We cannot handle individual ticket disputes or appeals and therefore cannot compel a member to cancel a charge.

We want to let you know that:

    We have thoroughly investigated your complaint.
    The decision we made is appropriate.
    Our communications with you have met our standards.
    You have not provided any new information that changes our view.

We believe we have answered all your questions.  In your case an appeal response was not issued and to correct the error, Parking Eye have confirmed the response will be sent out today via email.  We believe this to be appropriate rectification.

Since we have explained our position several times and through a number of emails, we consider your correspondence unreasonable. We will not respond further on this matter. Your complaint is now closed.

You can review our policy on unreasonable complaints on Here

We are sorry we cannot help you further.

Sara

Sara Roberts

Head of Parking on Private Land

British Parking Association

Web:  www.britishparking.co.uk

I replied as follows:


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Dear Ms Roberts,

Thank you for your email, which I assume you are writing on behalf of Mr Pester.

Nobody was asking you to handle an individual ticket dispute or appeal, or to compel a member to cancel a charge.

Please do not patronise me by saying that you "want" to "let me know" that your decision is "appropriate" - an adjective that in this case is practically free of meaning.

Please do not tell me that you have explained things several times as if I am the one with comprehension problems.

Please do not tell me that you feel I have been unreasonable. It is not every day that I am told I am unreasonable by a head of department employed by a cartel of thugs.

The fact is that your own rules say that a member, if they are to issue a substantive response to an appeal, must do so within 28 days. The information is that this member didn't. That means that anything they do after the 28 days is not the issuing of a substantive response. That's not "information". It's logic. And believe me, it will stand up in court. Parking Eye only sent me today's email 121 days after they received my appeal, after you reminded them of their breach. Their email is not a response to my appeal in the formal sense. (For your information, nor does it even refer to the grounds of my appeal.)

That you have not answered all my questions is verifiable. Do not tell me black is white.

This matter is likely to continue, with further damage to the BPA's reputation, if the "PCN" with my name on it is considered still to be valid, despite a) the non-applicability of keeper liability in Scotland and b) the admitted breach of your rules which by common practice and custom would determine the automatic upholding of my appeal.

Hopefully I will not need to explain these points to you again.

Yours sincerely,

[***]

Cc: Andrew Pester

And one last one for today to Philip Boynes, CEO of Parking Eye ( philip.boynes@parkingeye.co.uk ) :

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Dear Mr Boynes,

I'm still waiting for your confirmation that you've cancelled the invoice you sent me, which you pompously described as a "charge notice".

Whether you try to locate the driver of the vehicle is up to you. Keeper liability doesn't apply in Scotland (where you know I am based), and in any case you failed to issue a substantive response to my appeal within the BPA-mandated 28 days, only sending me an email (which didn't even refer to my grounds of appeal) after 121 days, shortly after the BPA contacted you because I required them to.

You certainly don't have a valid claim on me for anything - and it's in your interests to recognise this.

[***]

I really do admire your tenacity, dry sense of humour and wit. I know you are as confident as I am that this will never make it to court, at least for you as a defendant (respondent).

However, should you wish to sue ParkingEye for harassment or data misuse (or anyone else for that matter), that is entirely feasible and likely to cause them some consternation for the following reasons:

ParkingEye would be required to defend a claim in Scotland if the Scottish court accepts it.

Even though ParkingEye is an English company, Scottish courts can hear cases against companies based elsewhere in the UK, especially when the harm or distress is felt in Scotland. The civil jurisdiction rules in the UK allow a person to bring a claim in the place where the harmful event happened. In a harassment or data misuse case, that means where the person affected lives — so if the harassment is received in Scotland, the Scottish court has the right to hear the case.

In Scotland, harassment is treated as a type of wrongdoing called a “delict”, and the rules say the court where the harm happened can deal with the case. So if a Scottish resident sues ParkingEye, an English company, in a Scottish sheriff court under the Simple Procedure (used for claims up to £5,000), ParkingEye would have to respond.

If they don’t reply or defend the claim, the court can give a default judgment against them. That judgment would be valid and enforceable in England.

ParkingEye could try to challenge the case by saying Scotland isn’t the right place for the claim. But they would likely fail if the court agrees that the harm was suffered in Scotland.

To start a case in Scotland, the person would file the Simple Procedure claim in their local sheriff court and give ParkingEye’s registered address in England. The court would then arrange for it to be served on ParkingEye.

So, a Scottish resident can sue ParkingEye in Scotland, and ParkingEye must respond if properly served.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Many thanks for all this! I am still thinking about whether to initiate proceedings in Scotland.

In the meantime, should I file with POPLA? I would just say

1. Parking Eye broke BPA Code of Practice section 8.4.1 because they did not conclude a response to my appeal within 28 days, nor, having harassed me to provide information that I told them they would not obtain (and I have not claimed to possess) did they confirm a timeframe for concluding it. All they did in the way of supposedly concluding a response was to tell me 121 days after they received my appeal that they had declined it, after they were chivvied by the BPA. A response that is out of time (issued a full three months after the 28-day deadline) cannot be considered to be a response.

2. The grounds of appeal are in any case valid because POFA makes no provision for transfer of liability to a registered keeper in Scotland.

3. (Possibly worth adding) PE have further breached BPA COP section 11 by refusing to process my complaints, using as their excuse the fact that I did not signal my agreement with their privacy policy, which I am not obliged to do, and further given that keeper non-agreement with operator privacy policy is not stated in the BPA COP as a reason for operator refusal to process complaints.

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« Last Edit: June 24, 2025, 11:16:38 am by carriep »

If the Keeper is a Scottish resident, they cannot use POPLA. POPLA can only consider an appeal from the driver if they are Scottish resident.

However, you could appeal as the Keeper anyway and see if ParkingEye waste there £30 POPLA fee trying to respond. All you have to do is explain to the POPLA assessor that the driver is not identified and there is no Keeper liability in Scotland. Irrespective of whether the PCN was issued correctly or not, they cannot hold the Keeper liable. End of.

POPLA have no influence over anything and are simply paid by the parking companies to adjudicate on disputes. They cannot do anything about a company breaching its CoP or anything else.

I would press ahead with any GDPR breaches that could be pursued. Have as much fun at their expense as possible. Nothing will come of it as far as trying to sue you.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

I have now appealed to POPLA, mainly because it didn't take long to do so.

In the meantime, I put in a data subject access request to BPA for copies of correspondence between themselves and Parking Eye, and it turns out that Gemma Dorans of the BPA when she wrote to PE called me "the motorist". So she is jumping to conclusions.

Not sure how that is going to go with POPLA as they cannot accept a Keeper appeal in Scotland. My guess is that ParkingEye will concede and withdraw from the appeal. However, if they don't, I'd love to see the response from POPLA.

As this is the case that just keeps on giving, I want to know more how Ms Dorans defines a "motorist". I am not sure there is a legal definition of what one of these even is!

The term “motorist” has no formal legal definition in UK statute. It’s a colloquial label, used broadly in public discourse and informal guidance to denote someone operating a motor vehicle. However, in legal and regulatory contexts—like enforcement under POFA or the BPA’s Code of Practice—what matters is whether someone is the “driver” or the “registered keeper.” These are the terms with legal consequences.

Given you’ve never identified yourself as the driver and reside in Scotland, any assumption or insinuation that you're the “motorist”—with its implied connotation of driver liability—is both inaccurate and potentially misleading. It’s especially dubious in formal correspondence arising from a complaint, where precision should be paramount.

So, should you wish to deploy this later and I hope you do:

• You can highlight that referring to a Scottish keeper as “the motorist” when driver identity is neither established nor admitted is a material mischaracterisation.
• You might suggest this phrasing betrays either a lack of legal understanding or an attempt to bias the narrative—neither of which inspires confidence in the BPA’s handling of complaints.
• Or, if you’re feeling particularly sardonic, you could ask whether “motorist” is now a BPA euphemism for “anyone we’d prefer to hold liable, regardless of jurisdiction or facts”.

You’ve got plenty of rope should you wish to tangle it creatively. I fully expect a cheeky paragraph drafted to make an appearance in your next letter.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

I have to be really quick here. Sorry but very little time! This is just to keep you posted on the appeal to POPLA. I received a note from them saying the operator has responded. The response was in the form of a 51-page document that contains nothing relevant to the grounds of my appeal as far as I can see.

So I have replied to POPLA as follows:

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Dear POPLA Team,

Let me begin by noting that the operator has always identified itself to me as "Parking Eye Ltd", not under the name "Parking Eye Ltd including Car Parking Partnership (CPP) - EW". Its use of two different names is something I urge you to investigate.

As far as the 51-page document that they have submitted to you entitled "OP Case Summary" is concerned, it contains in my estimation absolutely nothing whatsoever that is relevant

1) to the grounds stated in the appeal that I filed with them,

2) to the fact that they failed to answer the said appeal until four months later (three months after the BPA deadline) and have never responded to it substantively, or

3) to the grounds stated in my appeal to you, which are covered under points 1) and 2).

The points of the appeal I submitted to you continue to stand, and they have not been challenged substantively by Parking Eye Ltd. It is presumably not your role to make their case for them, and since they haven't made a substantive response to my appeal I trust you will acknowledge that they haven't made one and treat their baseless attempt to contest my appeal in the way it patently obviously deserves.

I consider the PCN to be void, and I look forward to hearing confirmation of your agreement to this effect. Whether or not I receive such confirmation, I shall continue to regard the PCN as void and I shall continue to regard this operator's demand that I pay them some money to be without good cause, unenforceable, and such that it will constitute a further case of harassment if they repeat it.

Yours sincerely,

[***]


You should simply point out each point you made in your appeal that has not been rebutted and you also rebut any new points made in their evidence. Don't expect the POPLA assessor to understand what you are asking without leading them by the nose to the conclusion you are hoping for.

Explain it to the assessor as though they are a 10 year old.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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I have now received the POPLA decision, made by Lyndsey Howgate. It's mostly spew, in terms of content and organisation as well as spelling and grammar, but the key bit is this:

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"I am aware The Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 is a law that allows parking operators to transfer the liability to the registered keeper in the event that the driver or hirer is not identified. Parking operators have to follow certain rules including warning the registered keeper that they will be liable if the parking operator is not provided with the name and address of the driver. In this case, the PCN in question has the necessary information and the parking operator has therefore successfully transferred the liability onto the registered keeper due to the drivers details not being supplied. The appellant states the parking operators action is incorrect due to PoFA 2012 not being applicable in Scotland. Whilst I acknowledge the appellants statement and agree, it is important to point out that it is the area in which the PCN is issued, and not where a registered keeper lives. Therefore, as the PCN was issued for a car park in England, I am satisfied that PoFA 2012 would be applicable and the parking operator was correct when it transferred liability of the PCN to the Registered Keeper and this is compliant with PoFA."


The whole thing:


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POPLA assessment and decision

01/09/2025
Verification Code

[***]
Decision
Unsuccessful

Assessor Name
Lyndsey Howgate

Assessor summary of operator case

The operator has issued the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) due to remaining on the car park for longer than the permitted free stay.

Assessor summary of your case

The appellant has provided a detailed account surrounding the parking event in question. For the purpose of my report, I have summarised the grounds raised into the points below •The appellant advises they are the registered keeper of the vehicle, live in Scotland and there has been no identification of the driver. PoFA makes no provision for transfer of liability to a registered keeper in Scotland, and therefore liability may not be transferred to them. •The appellant advises they submitted an appeal to the parking operator on the 19 February 2025, and the parking operator broke BPA Code of Practice section 8.4.1 because it did not conclude a response to their appeal within 28 days, nor, having harassed them to provide information that I told them unequivocally in their appeal that they would not obtain. The appellant advises they only received a response from the parking operator 121 days after their initial appeal had been raised. After reviewing the operator’s evidence, the appellant has expanded on their grounds of appeal. •The appellant states that the parking operator has always identified itself to them as "Parking Eye Ltd", not under the name "Parking Eye Ltd including Car Parking Partnership (CPP) - EW". Its use of two different names is something they urge to be investigated. •The appellant states the evidence provided by the parking operator is not relevant. •The appellant states that they consider the PCN to be void, and look forward to receiving confirmation of POPLA's agreement to this effect. All of the above has been considered in making my determination.

Assessor supporting rational for decision

The appellant has identified as the keeper of the vehicle and therefore I will refer to them as the appellant throughout my report. When assessing an appeal POPLA considers if the operator has issued the parking charge notice correctly and if the driver has complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park. The appellant advises they are the registered keeper of the vehicle, live in Scotland and there has been no identification of the driver. PoFA makes no provision for transfer of liability to a registered keeper in Scotland, and therefore liability may not be transferred to them. I am aware The Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 is a law that allows parking operators to transfer the liability to the registered keeper in the event that the driver or hirer is not identified. Parking operators have to follow certain rules including warning the registered keeper that they will be liable if the parking operator is not provided with the name and address of the driver. In this case, the PCN in question has the necessary information and the parking operator has therefore successfully transferred the liability onto the registered keeper due to the drivers details not being supplied. The appellant states the parking operators action is incorrect due to PoFA 2012 not being applicable in Scotland. Whilst I acknowledge the appellants statement and agree, it is important to point out that it is the area in which the PCN is issued, and not where a registered keeper lives. Therefore, as the PCN was issued for a car park in England, I am satisfied that PoFA 2012 would be applicable and the parking operator was correct when it transferred liability of the PCN to the Registered Keeper and this is compliant with PoFA. The parking operator has provided a copy of the car park site map indicating where signage is located within the car park and time date stamped photographs of the signage within the car park which advises 2 hours free parking, parking tariffs apply after 2 hours free parking, tariffs available, payment methods available and failure to comply will result in a £100 PCN being issued. I am aware that the car park where the vehicle entered and exited is monitored by an Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) system. All accessible entry and exit points in this area have a ANPR camera in place which takes an infrared image of a vehicle registration, as the vehicle passes by. The system then identifies the vehicle registration mark (VRM) from these images, after which the total time the vehicle remained on site is calculated, recorded and compared with any parking time purchased/the advertised terms and conditions. The parking operator has supplied images obtained from the ANPR camera that shows the vehicle entering the car park on the 2 February 2025 at [***] and exited at [***] the same day (2 hours and [***] minutes). The appellant advises that they submitted an appeal to the parking operator on the 19 February 2025, and the parking operator broke BPA Code of Practice section 8.4.1 because it did not conclude a response to their appeal within 28 days, nor, having harassed them to provide information that I told them unequivocally in their appeal that they would not obtain. The appellant states that the parking operator has always identified itself to them as "Parking Eye Ltd", not under the name "Parking Eye Ltd including Car Parking Partnership (CPP) - EW". Its use of two different names is something they urge to be investigated. This sectors Code of Practice which was jointly created by the British Parking Association (BPA) and the International Parking Community (IPC). It is largely based on the Government’s Private Parking Code of Practice, which was published in February 2022, and subsequently withdrawn in June 2022. The new Code came into force on the 1 October 2024. The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (The Code) sets the standards its parking operators need to comply with. I acknowledge the appellants grounds of appeal, however POPLA's role is to determine if a PCN has been issued correctly due to any breach in the terms and conditions of use of a car park and is unable to comment on how a parking operator has handled an appeal. If the appellant wishes to explore this aspect of their appeal further, direct contact to the parking operator should be made or they may wish to raise this directly with the BPA. The appellant states the evidence provided by the parking operator is not relevant. The appellant states that they consider the PCN to be void, and look forward to receiving confirmation of POPLA's agreement to this effect. I have reviewed the photographs of the signage within the car park, where it is located within the car park and also the whitelist provided that the parking operator that confirms that no payment was received for the duration that the vehicle remained in situ on the car park on the day the PCN was issued (after the free 2 hour duration had expired). I am satisfied that this validates the terms and conditions of use of the car park where breached. As the appellants appeal has been refused, any further discussions regarding payment of the PCN should be made directly to the parking operator. POPLA’s role is to assess if the operator has issued the charge in accordance with the conditions of the contract. As the terms and conditions of the car park have not been met, due to remaining on the car park for longer than the permitted free stay, I conclude that the operator has issued the parking charge correctly, and the appeal is refused.

I also received an email from Parking Eye less than one hour after the email from POPLA. This stated

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Dear Sir/Madam,

We are writing to inform you that we are now in receipt of the decision from POPLA concerning your recent appeal.

This notification confirms that the appeal has been refused and the full Parking Charge amount is now due to the Operator.

I replied by email to Philip Boynes, Parking Eye's CEO:

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From: [***]
To: philip.boynes@parkingeye.co.uk
Subject: order to desist

Dear Mr Boynes,

The legal position remains exactly the same as it was in February. You have no right to transfer liability to keeper in Scotland.

This is a formal order to desist from demanding money from me with menaces, and formal notice that in the event that you continue to do so you may face prosecution under the Protection  from Harassment Act 1997.

Yours sincerely,
[***]




I wouldn’t worry too much about it. They will not sue you in Scotland. However, you should send a formal complaint to POPLA along these lines:

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Subject: Formal Complaint – POPLA Assessor Lyndsey Howgate’s Incompetent Decision

I am lodging this complaint not out of hope that POPLA will correct its mistake—because you’ve proven time and again that you won’t—but to document the sheer absurdity of the decision issued by Lyndsey Howgate in appeal [insert verification code].

The assessor’s grasp of PoFA 2012 is laughable. They acknowledge it doesn’t apply in Scotland, then immediately contradict themselves by claiming it does apply to a Scottish keeper because the PCN was issued in England. This is not just wrong—it’s legally illiterate. PoFA applies to keepers in England and Wales. It does not magically override jurisdictional boundaries based on where a car was parked.

The decision reads like a GCSE student’s first attempt at statutory interpretation—riddled with errors, devoid of logic, and utterly unfit for purpose. If this is the standard of legal reasoning POPLA endorses, it’s no wonder the service is widely regarded as a rubber-stamping exercise for private parking firms.

I demand a formal apology from the assessor for this absurd decision and expect immediate retraining. If POPLA has any integrity left, it will acknowledge that allowing assessors to issue legally void decisions undermines the entire appeals process.

With the upcoming implementation of the Private Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019, POPLA’s days of unchecked nonsense are numbered. When a properly regulated appeals service takes over, decisions like this will be relics of a failed system—and assessors like this one will be free to pursue careers more aligned with their talents.

I now wait for the operator to attempt the ridiculous feat of pursuing me through the Scottish courts, where PoFA 2012 holds no sway and their case will collapse faster than POPLA’s credibility. When that day comes, I’ll have the last laugh, watching their legal fantasy dissolve into the reality of jurisdictional limits they never bothered to understand. Until then, I’ll keep this decision as a monument to the intellectual malnourishment of POPLA’s appeals process.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

The latest communication from Parking Eye is attached.

One interesting thing is that they say a "charge reflecting the cost to Parkingeye may apply for payments made via credit/debit card". I thought companies weren't allowed to apply such a surcharge, because they'd be in breach of a) their contract with Visa or Mastercard and b) the Consumer Rights (Payment Surcharges) Regulations 2012, as amended by Schedule 8 of the Payment Services Regulations 2017. (This latter info was the result of two minutes' lookup on the internet and therefore may not be accurate.)



« Last Edit: October 07, 2025, 03:22:17 pm by carriep »

Did you ever get a response to the POPLA complaint?

Just continue to ignore PE. Not with the effort to be honest.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain