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Hello all!

Firstly, i would like to leave thanks in advance for all advice and apologies for any errors in the format or content of my post; I am trying to follow the direction given to the best of my ability.

I have stupidly already appealed my notice through Parkingeye's system; I have an anxiety disorder and acted rashly. i confirmed my status as both RK and driver at this time.

Hopefully attached are links to the best pic I have of the signage (from Facebook) and pics of the machine and of my notice itself. the pics of the machine were taken approximately 30 mins before i arrived by someone else and forwarded to me today for my use.

The details of the matter are as follows:

On the 25th May I arrived at Challaborough Bay and pulled into the car park. I went to the machine to pay and the machine - although having power - would accept neither card, nor contactless, nor cash payment.I thus went to the sign assuming there would be an alternative payment option, which there was.

However, when i tried scanning the QR code to download the app, I discovered I had absolutely no service at all - including any signal to be able to call the number on the machine provided by a sign that said: 'if there are any issues with the payment machine please contact our helpline on: 0330 555 4444' with an'evology' logo.

I was at a loss what to do; i was there to collect my daughter who was there with family, and having no signal to call her i was unsure how to locate her. As noted above, i have an anxiety disorder, and at this point I was beginning to stress about both the parking and finding her. I set out to find my family ASAP, thinking they may also have a solution to the parking issue.

When i found them, they reported that they had found the same problems; unable to pay; no signal. Additionally, they had sought assistance from the adjacent holiday park, who had explained they had no jurisdiction or way of contacting Parkingeye.

Not quite sure how to prove i don't have signal there other than go back and take a pic of my phone display - though not sure how much weight that would hold anyway.

According to Parkingeye I was there for a total of 16 minutes. i had tried to be as brief as possible but evidently this overruns any grace period they allow (if at all).

As stated above, i have daftly already appealed via Parkingeye's link. I did not provide any photos.

Please feel free to ask for anything relevant i have not stated.

Do i have any chance of winning my appeal, either with Parkingeye or subsequently? I'm pretty motivated to take it to court if i have a 50/50 chance or better.

All advice greatly appreciated, thank you.

Edit 3: only way I could link imgur successfully below:

https://imgur.com/a/5ZSZfiZ
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OP here:

Appears no one has any advice specifically for my case, so I will ask something from a different angle: does anyone have any experience with machines being out of order and there being no alternative method of payment? Is there any precedent here (good or bad)?

Many thanks.

You have to consider what your chances of successfully defending this should ParkingEye eventually decide to take you to court of the alleged debt. Lets look at the bare bones of the circumstances:

The driver entered, attempted to pay, and could not due to:

• payment machine failure,
• lack of alternative viable methods (no signal for QR app or helpline),
• and no available onsite assistance.
• The driver did not accept the contract (no payment made, no tariff selected).
• The total stay was 16 minutes, which exceeds the minimum 5-minute consideration period.

An appeal to POPLA has almost zero chance of being successful. This case will likely be rejected by POPLA on technical grounds if ParkingEye can demonstrate that:

• signage was visible,
• terms were clear,
• the vehicle remained over the 5-minute consideration threshold without completing payment.

POPLA assessors tend to apply the Code rigidly and will never consider mitigating circumstances unless they amount to a procedural breach or unlawful conduct.

In my opinion, the only way you have any chance of getting this unfair PCN cancelled is if it goes to court. There are two outcomes, depending on how ParkingEye decide to handle litigation on the matter.

If they think their case is weak, they will eventually use the bulk litigation firm of incompetent legal wannabes, DCB Legal to issue a claim. If they do that, you have won, because as long as you follow the advice and defend the claim properly, they will, in due course discontinue.

However, if ParkingEye think they have a strong case, then they will handle the claim in-house with their own litigation team. Should this be the case, then it is highly likely that it would proceed al the way to a hearing.

At a hearing, you have the best chance of winning this because, unlike ParkingEye or their incestuous so-called "independent" appeals service, POPLA, a judge is the only truly independent arbiter and will decide any claim on the facts.

In the small claims court, this is where you would have a far stronger chance, especially with:

• evidence of the failed payment attempt (machine photos),
• witness evidence of no signal,
• your health context,
• and a properly structured argument around impossibility of performance and no contract formed.

The judge will also be able to decide on mitigating issues and, in my opinion, you probably have a better than 50% chance of being successful.

However... this is a long protracted process and is likely to last for anything from 9 months to over a year before it is finally decided. In the meantime, you will be receiving debt recovery letters threatening all sorts of nonsense but enough to scare anyone not familiar with this process. Debt collectors can be safely ignored. They are powerless to actually do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

After ignoring all debt collector letters, at some stage you will receive a Letter of Claim (LoC). At this point you will know whether they think they have a fair chance at recovering the alleged debt. If the LoC is issued by ParkingEye's in-house litigation team, then it is likely to end up in court. However, if the LoC comes from the incompetents at DCB Legal, it's a slam dunk that as long as the claim is defended, they will discontinue before they have to pay the trial fee.

This is not guesswork. This is all based on many years of dealing with these unregulated private parking companies and their bottom dwelling, bulk litigation brethren.

So, you have to decide whether you are prepared to fight this all the way, with our advice or you can go it alone and either pay up or fight with advice from elsewhere.

Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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I forgot to add that should you not be successful should ParkingEye handle the matter through their in-house litigation team, the sum you are risking would be the £100 charge plus the fixed court fee of £35 and the fixed legal costs fee of £50. They will try and add on a fake £25 debt recovery cost but the court would not allow that.

There is absolutely zero risk of a CCJ affecting your credit rating, even if you were unsuccessful. As long as the CCJ amount is paid in full within 30 days of judgment, it is completely expunged from the record.
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Thank you so very much for both of your replies. They are both very informative and very helpful.

I feel much better equipped now to proceed!

Best wishes to you.

Hi all,

I have today received the expected rejection of my appeal from Parkingeye.

I have (hopefully) attached a link to the letter below.

At this point, do I just follow the POPLA appeal process as they have supplied - or do I do it via another route etc?

Many thanks in advance.

R

https://imgur.com/a/1Aa8yMN

Did the PCN Show Both Entry and Exit Times?

Under the BPA Code of Practice (para 21.5), if a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) is based on ANPR camera data, it must clearly show:

The full entry time

The full exit time

The duration of stay

AND…

Operators must not state or imply that the period of parking began at the point of vehicle entry, because that’s misleading. Parking starts when the driver finds a space and finishes when they leave it—not when passing a camera.

So the PCN must not just say “You were in the car park for 16 minutes”; it must show timestamped entry and exit photos.


If the PCN omits either time, Fails to show photos, or Misrepresents the duration as "time parked", That’s a breach of BPA Code of Practice, and a strong ground for POPLA appeal and court defence.

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That’s a breach of BPA Code of Practice
Which does not apply to parking charges issued after 1st October 2024. Any references to breaches of Codes of Practice should refer to the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice.

Thanks for the reply!

(There is a link to pics of the PCN in the OP, if desired.)

There are timestamped pics of the car entering and leaving and the difference is 16 minutes. Also provided are the duration of stay, and exact entry and exit times, which match the photos.

ParkingEYe are one of the few companies that are about as close to the requirements of the PPSCoP as you can get, especially when it comes to the Notice to Keeper (NtK). They always include timestamped photos. The only flaw in their notices is that they do not comply 100% with PoFA as there is no invitation for the Keeper to pay the charge as required by paragraph 9(2)(e)(i). However, that has never actually been tested in court, although a judge has agreed with me that if it is argued correctly, it is a valid point. POPLA are too thick to understand the nuances of the actual meaning of sub para (i) in that part.

So, having received an appeal rejection with a POPA code, you can now try your luck at POPLA. You have 33 days from the date of the appeal rejection date, not the 28 days as stated to be able to submit a POPLA appeal.

I suggest you now do a search of the forum for other POPLA appeals and study how they are formatted and what points to use. Basically, you throw the kitchen sink at the issue. POPLA will not consider any mitigating circumstances, so you are looking for technical issues in law and the PPSCoP.

When you have something you think might fly, post it here and we will advise on any necessary edits before you snd anything off. You have plenty of time to prepare it.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Thanks b; I will post a reply once I have done the necessary research and composed one.
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Hi, interested to read this thread: On the 25th May I arrived at Challaborough Bay and pulled into the car park. I went to the machine to pay and the machine - although having power - would accept neither card, nor contactless, nor cash payment.I thus went to the sign assuming there would be an alternative payment option, which there was.

However, when i tried scanning the QR code to download the app, I discovered I had absolutely no service at all - including any signal to be able to call the number on the machine provided by a sign that said: 'if there are any issues with the payment machine please contact our helpline on: 0330 555 4444' with an'evology' logo.
I had exactly the same experience the previous day 24/5 and received the pcn on 29th as you did. Also received rejected appeal notice today. Not only us, but discovered on the Challaborough Facebook page that this has been happening since autumn 2023. How is this fair?? I have a photo of the reg numbers of others who were unable to pay. Could we somehow get together to make a case here?

@Vivj, please start your won thread if you want advice and assistance. We can't deal with two separate cases in a single thread as it becomes unmanageable, even if the circumstances are identical.

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Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

I’m wondering if a POPLA appeal is worth it, and I should just wait for court proceedings?

Having studied the PPSSCOP I cannot see any technicality I can argue my case on, and will be relying on the mitigating circumstances of the case - unless I there is some issue I can raise re 3.1.1-3.1.7 and 6.1.1 and 6.1.2 regarding signage. I would need to go back and get a clearer picture than I have currently available to make a judgement on this.

Am I missing any specific valid basis directly from the PPSSCOP? 6.1.2.c) describes what is needed if payment cannot be made; I guess I will need to go back and check the sign for these specifics; all I remember is a QR code for payment app and a phone number for reports of failure. Don’t remember any “consequences” listed, but I will have to confirm.

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Hi all,

Today I received a Letter Before County Court Claim. Hopefully the link below will show an image of the letter itself for exact wording etc.

Do I need to reply to Parkingeye via their portal to let them know I’m not paying, or do I just ignore this letter?

Thanks in advance.

https://imgur.com/a/fpVE9ml