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I am about to submit the appeal and the only attachment is the Letter of Consent, other than that, it is exactly the wording above. Out of interest, if the appeal is rejected by POPLA, what can be done next? Is there another avenue? At the end of the day, I am all in with seeing this through as I am sick to death of these awful companies hounding law abiding, busy, ordinary people who are just going about their day trying to scrape a living and get on, with threatening, misleading demands for ridiculously huge amounts of money for 'crime' of parking in their car park. If we lose, so be it, it will have cost time and a fine that I can't imagine is much more than what they demand anyway. Again, thank you so much for the expertise and hand holding. Shall I just press go or is there anything else I can add in to the appeal that occurs to anyone?

If the POPLA appeal is unsuccessful, then the decision is not binding on you. You don't pay the invoice.

It will likely go as far as a court claim but the odds of it actually ever reaching hearing are very slim with the outcome usually being a strike out or a discontinuation. We will advise on every step of the way.
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Submitted! Will keep you up to date when I hear and thanks again.

HI there, I have had the dreaded response from Popla asking for responses to the Operators response to the appeal. Parking eye's response is 33 pages long! Shows all the Max 1.5 hr Parking Signs on a map of the MacDonalds site, copies of all correspondence between us including Privacy request, Authorisation for me to act on sons behalf etc etc.
Obviously I don't want to dump 33 pages of this on here as it is a repeat of all the emails I have sent, and their responses along with the POPLA process I needed to follow.
The POPLA appeal gives me 1 week to provide comments on the Operators response, which is basically everything they have already sent and saying signs were there, the notice was sent, the acknowledgement of change of address on V5 forms sorted, me being the contact was confirmed etc etc.

I would be enormously grateful for help in how to 'respond to the operator' with my comments which must be in by 26th June. Let me know if you needs to see any of the documents.

Just go through their evidence pack and note anything they have not either rebutted or responded to in your appeal. Also, if there is anything in their evidence pack that is new or you can rebut, do so.

There are plenty of POPLA appeals on the forum with operator evidence responses, just adapt one of those if necessary.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

I can't see anything new as such, just going on about how clear the signage is and the vehicle had headlights on in the photo and therefore should have seen the 'ample signage' about 1.5 hr parking max stay.
Feeling somewhat overwhelmed and panicked about how to best manage the response to this.
This is what ParkingEye have written, along with supporting documents which include photos of car entering and exiting and a map of the MacDonalds car park pointing out the signage which does apparently show there are several signs but apart from the entrance one, as far as I know, all small and it was dark, not daylight.
Do I just restate what I sent in the appeal?
The ParkingEye response includes all correspondence with dates, the notices, map of the site with signs highlighted, but no reference to any of the 'human stuff' like the disability being raised, sent to wrong address, it was the middle of the night, dark, no other cars in the car park, just dates.
This was what ParkingEye included as a covering note in their response:
Financial Current Value £100.00 Outstanding £100.00 Paid To Date £0.00
Photographs In Out Case History
 01/04/2025 Date of event System check/manual check identified breach of terms and conditions, prior to DVLA request
03/04/2025 Request queued to DVLA for keeper details
04/04/2025 DVLA response received - Success (Legislation Used: POFA_POPLA - Issued To: Keeper)
04/04/2025 Parking Charge Letter Issued - Letter1 - Ltr01-210
13/04/2025 Parking Charge Letter Issued - Letter2 - Ltr02-210
15/04/2025 Letter Issued - Website Appeal Response
15/04/2025 Website Appeal received for this case and is queued for processing. 02/05/2025 Letter Issued - GDPR Request - With Appeal
02/05/2025 Letter Issued - Driver Details Required From Keeper POFA
02/06/2025 Letter Issued - **Unsuccessful POPLA - Pro-Active Rules and Conditions This site is a 1½ hour maximum stay customer car park as clearly stated on the signage (enclosed). 1½ hour max stay. No return within 1 hour. Blue Badge holders – all terms & conditions apply. Park within marked bays No parking on yellow lines/hatched areas We have included a signage plan showing that there are signs situated at the entrance, exit and throughout the car park displaying the terms and conditions of the site. Authority
We can confirm that the above site is on private land, is not council owned and that we have written authority to operate and issue Parking Charge Notices at this site from the landowner (or landowner’s agent).
It must also be noted that any person who makes a contract in his own name without disclosing the existence of a principal, or who, though disclosing the fact that he is acting as an agent on behalf of a principal, renders himself personally liable on the contract, is entitled to enforce it against the other contracting party. (Fairlie v Fenton (1870) LR 5 Exch 169).
It follows that a lawful contract between ourselves and the motorist will be enforceable by us as a party to that contract. Additional Information The BPA has provided clarity to both motorists and parking management companies regarding grace periods which can be found in the Private Parking Single Code of Practice. www.britishparking.co.uk/code-of-practice-and-compliance-monitoring Parkingeye are fully compliant with the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice in relation to Grace Periods.
Parkingeye use Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) cameras and not CCTV cameras to monitor car parks. This technology captures and photographs vehicles entering and exiting the car park and compares this data to the maximum stay that vehicles are entitled to and, where applicable, any payment or permit that may relate to the registration captured.
We ensure that all our signage is clear, ample, and in keeping with the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice regulations. The signage at this site demonstrates adequate colour contrast between the text and the backgrounds advised in the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice. As the images show, the vehicle had its headlights on. This would have rendered the many signs in the car park visible.
Please note, our website appeals portal now asks the appellant to confirm that all supporting evidence relating to the Parking Charge has been attached. This confirmation is displayed in the website appeal document included in this evidence pack. Our ANPR records confirm the vehicle remained in the car park. The car park name, along with the entry and exit times can be found on the parking charge notice.
We have included further records of the vehicle’s movements recorded on the date of the event. Whitelist Lookup –
Whitelist Name Plate Description Start Date/Time End Date/Time Input Date/Time Duration No results The above system extract displays all permits, payments for parking, and terminal entries relating to the vehicle on the date of the parking event.
Please note, if no results are displayed, this confirms that no permit, payment, or terminal entries were recorded. Inbound, Outbound Correspondence and Car Park Signage . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


It's just a POPLA appeal. Stop panicking! Even unsuccessful, it has no bearing on anything going forwards.

Use this as your response:

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The operator’s evidence pack fails to address multiple key points raised in the original appeal.

1. PoFA non-compliance – The operator has not rebutted or even acknowledged the deficiencies identified in the Notice to Keeper, including the absence of the required invitation to the keeper under paragraph 9(2)(e)(i), and the incorrect wording under 9(2)(f). They have simply repeated that the notice was issued to the keeper using PoFA without demonstrating actual compliance.

2. Notice not ‘given’ within 14 days – The operator ignores the fact that the notice was not received at the keeper’s address due to redirection, and has provided no proof of actual delivery. Under paragraph 9(6) of PoFA, the presumption of service is rebuttable, and it has been rebutted in this case. No response has been made to this challenge.

3. Signage – The operator asserts that signage is ‘ample’ and ‘compliant’ but provides no night-time images to prove that it was visible and legible at 10:40pm when the driver entered. They have not rebutted the specific point that there were no clear instructions visible to the driver regarding payment or registration after dark.

4. Equality Act 2010 – The operator has entirely failed to engage with or even mention the disability disclosure made during the appeal, nor have they acknowledged that a Letter of Authority was submitted and accepted. This omission is serious. They were on notice that a vulnerable person was involved and took no steps to consider reasonable adjustments or exercise discretion. This is a breach of their statutory duties under the Equality Act 2010.

5. Driver not identified – The operator has made no attempt to argue that the driver has been identified and has relied solely on keeper liability. Since they cannot rely on PoFA due to the defects in the notice and failure to comply with time limits, no liability can pass to the keeper.

6. Landowner authority – The operator refers to having “written authority” but has not provided any contemporaneous, unredacted landowner contract. A vague assertion of authority is insufficient to establish standing to issue or enforce charges.

In short, the operator has provided a generic evidence bundle that ignores every material point raised in the appeal. No attempt has been made to engage with the facts or legal arguments. The appeal should be allowed.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Thank you, thank you. I have now submitted that and will keep the forum posted. It is so easy to get blindsided and panicked by the amount of wording, documents and so called 'evidence' they produce. I know it is all to overwhelm and encourage you to 'cave' and just pay the money to make it go away.
I have stepped back, taken a moment, reminded myself that it is all about these awful companies making easy money off the back of people going about their day, who have simply overstayed or not spotted a parking fee sign.
Your help is once again hugely appreciated.

Hello all.
I have had the outcome from POPLA come through regarding the Appeal on this and..... IT WAS SUCCESSFUL!
Thank you so much for all the guidance and help.
The statement from POPLA was long, so I am just sharing the last paragraph as that encapsulates what this was about and should help fellow 'fighters' I hope with their own cases as it explains why they rejected the Operators reasoning and upheld our appeal
"Ultimately, it is the operator's responsibility to ensure the signage is readable and understandable at all times, including during the hours of darkness, early morning or at dusk, and the evidence provided to me does not prove this. It is in the operator's gift to provide all the relevant photographic evidence in their evidence pack to prove their case and in this instance they have not. I therefore feel that the PCN was not issued incorrectly and allow the appeal. In conclusion, I do not feel that the PCN has been issued correctly for the reasons outlined above. I can see that the appellant has referenced other points within their appeal to POPLA, but I do not feel that these need to be reviewed based on the outcome reached."
Again, thank you so much for all the assistance and lets hope I won't need to be on here again for a while!
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This may also be helpful for people on here to read as this was what the POPLA Assessor outlined as a summary of the case:
"The appellant has provided a detailed account of events. For the purpose of my report, I have summarised the grounds into the following points and have checked each point before coming to my conclusion. The appellant says that: 1. Non-compliance with PoFA 2012 – paragraphs 9(2)(e)(i) and 9(2)(f). 2. Notice not ‘given’ within 14 days. 3. Unclear and insufficient signage in the dark. 4. Failure to consider Equality Act 2010 obligations. 5. Driver not identified – Keeper liability not established. 6. No evidence of landowner authority. The appellant reiterated their version of events in the motorist’s comments section. Assessor summary of reasons"

It just gives a useful overview that I hope others on here can benefit from. Thanks again!

Well done, and thank you.

“I therefore feel that the PCN was not issued incorrectly”

followed by

“I do not feel that the PCN has been issued correctly”

make no sense to me as presented. But you succeeded, so it doesn’t really matter.
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It is still worth posting the full POPLA result, including the name of the Assessor. Just try and add a few paragraph breaks so that it is more easily readable.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain